| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... 10:22 - Mar 6 with 2290 views | LovelyGeorge |
I stopped going after one season of Keane, football bored me and I didn't enjoy it anymore. Have seen nothing since to entice me back.Before that I was a season ticket holder for 13 seasons and regularly travelled away too.
I remember when the club was relegated to the Championship and we all presumed it would be a matter of time before we were promoted back to the Premier League. Same presumption seemed to be made by many at the start of this season. Evans has been in charge of a slow and steady demise which shows no signs of stopping. We are more likely to get relegated to League Two than promoted if things continue as they are.
Evans has continually shown diabolical judgement on football matters, which is a bit of a drawback when you are the owner of a football club. I get those that say without his money the club would fold, and who is going to buy him out, but that does not mean he should be exempt from criticism. I think most would agree that his ownership has been disastrous and we would be better off with someone else at the helm, so why are there not more people voicing protests against him? Are the fans all too busy fighting amongst themselves, or just totally apathetic to the situation. You would be supporting the clubs best interests if you did all could to try and encourage him to sell up and move on?
As for Lambert, never can the club have had a manager that has got away with so much. No improvement in results last season, cleverly manipulating any blame from himself my his PR spin which most seem to fall for. This season has seen a collapse in results that no other manager would have survived with his job intact, other than at Ipswich, where he has been rewarded for it with an extension to his contract! And no other club would have seen the supporters stick with the team for as long as they have without some severe discontent and protest. A relegation to League One even seemed to be accepted?!
It is possible to support the team throughout the game and then make your feelings known at the end of it. I can't believe any supporters are happy with the current situation? I guess the usual thing is that I just get abuse for posting this and asking these questions, but genuinely cannot fathom why are there not and haven't there been more supporter unrest aimed at Lambert and Evans? Not the 'Ipswich way'? Complete disinterest and acceptance of the state the club is in? Some believe that Evans/Lambert are the right combination? Supporters too involved in their own daft arguments and back biting with each other? All of the above?
The club is dying on its backside, and most just seem to be accepting it? Like I said, I don't get it.............. |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:46 - Mar 6 with 870 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:41 - Mar 6 by homer_123 |
See your own post above and my reply.
Let's boil it down - I don't disagree that we are not performing on the pitch and, therefore, the players and manager are indeed responsible for this. Here we agree.
Step back though and it is evident that we have no clarity on the direction of our club. As a leader and owner, we have a vauge 5 year plan that bears no resemblance to what we see on a day to day basis. Whatever structure we have is not geared towards delivering on our aims and objectives - we have zero clarity on direction and how we get there or are going to there or when.
This lies with Evans - irrespective of whether he's involved or not. |
I agree that there are criticisms to be made of Evans. Clearly.
That isn’t the point. The point is what has he done that no reasonably competent owner would have ever done that has caused our current position. Appointing managers with track records of promotions (Keane, Lambert, McCarthy) and giving younger managers a chance (Magilton and Hurst) were reasonable. Also managers can only be appointed when they are available in most cases. That limits the choice. |  | | |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:48 - Mar 6 with 864 views | LovelyGeorge |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:45 - Mar 6 by NotSure |
It took less than 6 months for Evans to go from "young and upcoming manager" to "experienced, serial failure at his previous 3 clubs".
And it's doubtful that Hurst would have done worse if the was still here. Bottom of Championship, 9th League 1.
The owner hasn't got a clue, has made mistake after mistake and even backed the manager with a new contract at completely the wrong time.
But nobody can answer the question about what, we, as fans, can do about it? |
That was my point really, what can the fans do about it? And are most not bothered, or don't think it's worth trying to don anything?
I think this thread has been answered my question anyway -' Supporters too involved in their own daft arguments and back biting with each other?' Seems still to be the main reason! | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:48 - Mar 6 with 865 views | TractorCam |
How many times have you tried to organise a protest? |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:50 - Mar 6 with 861 views | jeera |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:43 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
I agree there has been an issue about communication. But my point is that this hasn’t led to our demise. There is no causal link or at least no one can explain what it is.
The causal link is that the managers have failed and have built teams not good enough. Lambert in particular. He’s had support well above most teams in this league and is failing. That isn’t caused by a lack of communication between Evans and the fans. |
Look, at the end of the day I'll defend Evans from the knobs who blindly abuse him for no reason too, but there's no getting away from the fact he's not been leading.
It's fine to an extent if you have a Wenger, or in our case a poor man's Wenger in McCarthy, who pretty much runs the joint without too much owner input, but even then the rest of the club needs constant attention too and Mick wasn't interested in that.
The stuff about the state of the stands; people can laugh it off but these things matter. The way the place is run is indicative of the overall ownership; complaints about the facilities, the academy. It all matters. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 11:13]
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:51 - Mar 6 with 856 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:45 - Mar 6 by NotSure |
It took less than 6 months for Evans to go from "young and upcoming manager" to "experienced, serial failure at his previous 3 clubs".
And it's doubtful that Hurst would have done worse if the was still here. Bottom of Championship, 9th League 1.
The owner hasn't got a clue, has made mistake after mistake and even backed the manager with a new contract at completely the wrong time.
But nobody can answer the question about what, we, as fans, can do about it? |
Again you’re just making general assertions without explaining why they have actually caused our current position.
As for Lambert, do you think Evans had a free hand and could just select anyone? The relevant factors were time, who was available, who wanted to come, and who had had previous experience of getting out of the division. Blaming lambert for stoke etc is unfair given they were already in relegation zone when he took over in a very tough premiership. | | | |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:59 - Mar 6 with 835 views | homer_123 |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:46 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
I agree that there are criticisms to be made of Evans. Clearly.
That isn’t the point. The point is what has he done that no reasonably competent owner would have ever done that has caused our current position. Appointing managers with track records of promotions (Keane, Lambert, McCarthy) and giving younger managers a chance (Magilton and Hurst) were reasonable. Also managers can only be appointed when they are available in most cases. That limits the choice. |
His role as the owner is more than merely appointing a manager though. Again, I can see your point re. appointing managers - in isolation your position isn't wrong or incorrect.
My observation, to answer your question about Evans, is that he doesn't set a clear strategy for the Club. It has never been clear what we are trying to achieve, why, when and how. There is a complete disconnect between owner, club, manager and fans. |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 11:21 - Mar 6 with 822 views | Illinoisblue |
Hasn’t been to a game in 8 years... demands to know why fans aren’t protesting |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:12 - Mar 6 with 789 views | PJH |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:40 - Mar 6 by Harry_Palmer |
Good God, do you seriously need somebody to justify that statement by providing examples?
It would be easier to list the decisions he has got right during his time here. In fact i'll give the you the list now.
1) Appointing Mick McCarthy
The End. [Post edited 6 Mar 2020 10:53]
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I agree that in hindsight appointing MM is the only decision that has been proved to be a good one but although the other four appointments have all been shown to be bad decisions there was logic behind each of those appointments.
Law of averages should dictate that at least one of those four other logical appointments should have not been footballing disasters. |  | | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:16 - Mar 6 with 786 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:23 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
“Evans has continually shown diabolical judgement on football matters”
Name examples which have significantly led to our current position and explain why please. |
He appointed Hurst and then Lambert. |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:24 - Mar 6 with 781 views | LovelyGeorge |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 11:21 - Mar 6 by Illinoisblue |
Hasn’t been to a game in 8 years... demands to know why fans aren’t protesting |
Meant it more as a question than a demand. Sorry.
I'll be back in 2028 to ask again | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:32 - Mar 6 with 774 views | jeera |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:24 - Mar 6 by LovelyGeorge |
Meant it more as a question than a demand. Sorry.
I'll be back in 2028 to ask again |
See what you've gone and done?
A nice, friendly, gentle forum where nothing much happens and you've come along and asked questions.
We don't much like questions around these parts.
I bet you're not even local. | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:38 - Mar 6 with 769 views | Illinoisblue |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:24 - Mar 6 by LovelyGeorge |
Meant it more as a question than a demand. Sorry.
I'll be back in 2028 to ask again |
Seemed an odd position for you to take; your opening line makes it clear you yourself don’t care, then want to know why others don’t care enough | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:43 - Mar 6 with 762 views | jayessess |
Because, being rubbish isn't a good enough reason to dedicate a bunch of time and resources to organising protests? |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:50 - Mar 6 with 754 views | BiGDonnie |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:23 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
“Evans has continually shown diabolical judgement on football matters”
Name examples which have significantly led to our current position and explain why please. |
Is this one of those wind up type posts? |  |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:54 - Mar 6 with 752 views | mrshallisfit |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:23 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
“Evans has continually shown diabolical judgement on football matters”
Name examples which have significantly led to our current position and explain why please. |
What?????????????!!!!!
OK
Employing Keane
Employing Jewell
Not investing more in the middle of season 14/15
Employing Hurst
Selling all our quality offensive players when Hurst came in
Employing Clegg as CEO
Employing Milne as CEO
Is that enough for starters?
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 13:11 - Mar 6 with 740 views | LovelyGeorge |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:32 - Mar 6 by jeera |
See what you've gone and done?
A nice, friendly, gentle forum where nothing much happens and you've come along and asked questions.
We don't much like questions around these parts.
I bet you're not even local. |
Sorry, sorry.
It's good to know very little has changed since I stopped going 8 years ago.
No more questions I promise.
Bet everyone would like some answers though?
I am local though, promise
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 13:14 - Mar 6 with 734 views | ellerblue |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 10:23 - Mar 6 by Oxford_Blue |
“Evans has continually shown diabolical judgement on football matters”
Name examples which have significantly led to our current position and explain why please. |
i refer you to your post 0759 on 12 Feb  | |
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| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 13:15 - Mar 6 with 733 views | LovelyGeorge |
| Why are there not more protests? I don't get it........... on 12:38 - Mar 6 by Illinoisblue |
Seemed an odd position for you to take; your opening line makes it clear you yourself don’t care, then want to know why others don’t care enough |
That's kinda my point if I was still a season ticket holder and going to matches I would be caring enough, can't make out why others aren't.
Again just a question - which it seems are frowned upon, no hostility intended! | |
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