| Quote from the Times. 10:55 - Nov 14 with 3920 views | catch74 |
‘They reminisced about Brexit and the general election then gathered their belongings and left.’
Surely ‘reminisced about influencing a large part of the less educated population’ and ‘pulling the wool over a lot of others.’
How on earth could they reminisce, with what’s happening and what’s to come. It’s becoming a habit - Cameron scuttled off. Concerning that Theresa May seems to have been the best of a bad recent bunch. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 10:58 - Nov 14 with 1938 views | pointofblue |
I have the feeling the government is prepared to agree a deal with the EU, hence their time at number ten has come to an end. They can hardly help with Covid, after all, and I think the Conservatives will look to push Johnson out for a replacement next summer. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:05 - Nov 14 with 1893 views | catch74 |
| Quote from the Times. on 10:58 - Nov 14 by pointofblue |
I have the feeling the government is prepared to agree a deal with the EU, hence their time at number ten has come to an end. They can hardly help with Covid, after all, and I think the Conservatives will look to push Johnson out for a replacement next summer. |
Gove is circling. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:26 - Nov 14 with 1874 views | Guthrum |
| Quote from the Times. on 10:58 - Nov 14 by pointofblue |
I have the feeling the government is prepared to agree a deal with the EU, hence their time at number ten has come to an end. They can hardly help with Covid, after all, and I think the Conservatives will look to push Johnson out for a replacement next summer. |
From what I gather, their "contribution" to dealing with Covid may have been a significant issue. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:27 - Nov 14 with 1865 views | Guthrum |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:05 - Nov 14 by catch74 |
Gove is circling. |
He can circle all he likes, doubt anyone trusts him enough to let him into No10. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:27 - Nov 14 with 1872 views | pointofblue |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:05 - Nov 14 by catch74 |
Gove is circling. |
I still fear the extreme right wingers will get behind Patel. Dare I say Gove will be a stunning example of competency compared to who we have now but I can’t see him being a vote magnet. I think Javid would be their best bet. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 11:55 - Nov 14 with 1823 views | EdwardStone |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:27 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
He can circle all he likes, doubt anyone trusts him enough to let him into No10. |
But didn't we all think this about Johnson.....the idle, feckless buffoon wouldn't be given the keys to No 10 because he is so clearly unsuitable
And now look
Someone made the point about Tory PMs being like supply teachers, here for a brief spell and then gone, never to be seen again. But they allow chaos to reign during their brief tenure |  | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:12 - Nov 14 with 1748 views | Guthrum |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:55 - Nov 14 by EdwardStone |
But didn't we all think this about Johnson.....the idle, feckless buffoon wouldn't be given the keys to No 10 because he is so clearly unsuitable
And now look
Someone made the point about Tory PMs being like supply teachers, here for a brief spell and then gone, never to be seen again. But they allow chaos to reign during their brief tenure |
The difference being that Johnson was the "loveable buffoon", with the public profile from having been Mayor of London, darling of the local constituency parties. While he has some following, Gove does not have that appeal. He didn't even make it through to the final two in the last leadership election. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:15 - Nov 14 with 1740 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:12 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
The difference being that Johnson was the "loveable buffoon", with the public profile from having been Mayor of London, darling of the local constituency parties. While he has some following, Gove does not have that appeal. He didn't even make it through to the final two in the last leadership election. |
Yep, think at this point even a lot of Tories have realised what a duplicitous, self-serving bellend Gove is. He's essentially Boris without the bumbling, self-effacing charm that seems to win a certain demographic over. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:16 - Nov 14 with 1732 views | WeWereZombies |
| Quote from the Times. on 11:27 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
He can circle all he likes, doubt anyone trusts him enough to let him into No10. |
So if they oust Johnson does that leave the only option that will be even halfway acceptable to all of the Conservative party the return of Theresa May? |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:20 - Nov 14 with 1718 views | bluelagos |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:16 - Nov 14 by WeWereZombies |
So if they oust Johnson does that leave the only option that will be even halfway acceptable to all of the Conservative party the return of Theresa May? |
Not sure why Hunt isn't getting a look in. Compared to Gove or Patel he's like a Tory Mother Theresa. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:24 - Nov 14 with 1705 views | Plums |
| Quote from the Times. on 10:58 - Nov 14 by pointofblue |
I have the feeling the government is prepared to agree a deal with the EU, hence their time at number ten has come to an end. They can hardly help with Covid, after all, and I think the Conservatives will look to push Johnson out for a replacement next summer. |
Europe finishes Tory MPs, it’s been the same for decades. Johnson will be no different. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:34 - Nov 14 with 1684 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:20 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
Not sure why Hunt isn't getting a look in. Compared to Gove or Patel he's like a Tory Mother Theresa. |
Which is why he isn't getting a look in. | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:41 - Nov 14 with 1670 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Quote from the Times. on 10:58 - Nov 14 by pointofblue |
I have the feeling the government is prepared to agree a deal with the EU, hence their time at number ten has come to an end. They can hardly help with Covid, after all, and I think the Conservatives will look to push Johnson out for a replacement next summer. |
The best thing that can happen right now is for the EU and the UK Government to issue a statement making it very clear that the UK has left the EU, but because of the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic it has both been impossible to conclude a deal this year, and also it is unwise for the safety, security and prosperity of all parties for the UK to exit without a deal. Therefore the one year withdrawal period is to be extended for another year.
And if Peter Bone or Bill Cash start wittering about about being rule takers it is agreed that the whole nation shall shout in unison, "Oh shut the fck up you colossal bellend."
That is what should happen. Anything else is dangerous, ideologicallly driven nonsense. | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:44 - Nov 14 with 1660 views | Herbivore |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:20 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
Not sure why Hunt isn't getting a look in. Compared to Gove or Patel he's like a Tory Mother Theresa. |
You have to ask yourself how it's come to this, that the Tory party is in such a state and so bereft of talent that Jeremy Hunt looks like a decent option for leader. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:44 - Nov 14 with 1657 views | bluelagos |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:41 - Nov 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The best thing that can happen right now is for the EU and the UK Government to issue a statement making it very clear that the UK has left the EU, but because of the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic it has both been impossible to conclude a deal this year, and also it is unwise for the safety, security and prosperity of all parties for the UK to exit without a deal. Therefore the one year withdrawal period is to be extended for another year.
And if Peter Bone or Bill Cash start wittering about about being rule takers it is agreed that the whole nation shall shout in unison, "Oh shut the fck up you colossal bellend."
That is what should happen. Anything else is dangerous, ideologicallly driven nonsense. |
Can't see a year extension but a 3 months for further negotiations isn't beyond a possibility. Especially if they point out that safely moving vaccines is dependent on it and so a matter of public health. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 13:48 - Nov 14 with 1648 views | HARRY10 |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:20 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
Not sure why Hunt isn't getting a look in. Compared to Gove or Patel he's like a Tory Mother Theresa. |
He could be the dark horse, someone not tainted by the current infighting and seen as a moderate who could pull the party together
At the moment No 10 looks like Toad Hall where the weasels, stoats and ferrets have taken over control of it.
And this latest mess looks to be terminal, rather than another 'bump in the road' of a incompetent and failed 12 months | | | |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:04 - Nov 14 with 1608 views | Guthrum |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:16 - Nov 14 by WeWereZombies |
So if they oust Johnson does that leave the only option that will be even halfway acceptable to all of the Conservative party the return of Theresa May? |
Which is one reason why I think it may be a while before there is any attempt to overthrow Johnson. Cummings' departure does not really weaken his position as PM. Indeed, it may allow more policymaking agility and get more backbenchers onside.
Smiling Rishi Sunak is hovering in the wings, but I'm not sure he yet has the political weight or backers to get the top job. Javid hasn't got the following. Patel is too divisive. Hancock is too tainted by Covid problems. Hunt is too moderate. May is a busted flush. Are any of them realistic options? | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 14:06 - Nov 14 with 1604 views | Pendejo |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:41 - Nov 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The best thing that can happen right now is for the EU and the UK Government to issue a statement making it very clear that the UK has left the EU, but because of the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic it has both been impossible to conclude a deal this year, and also it is unwise for the safety, security and prosperity of all parties for the UK to exit without a deal. Therefore the one year withdrawal period is to be extended for another year.
And if Peter Bone or Bill Cash start wittering about about being rule takers it is agreed that the whole nation shall shout in unison, "Oh shut the fck up you colossal bellend."
That is what should happen. Anything else is dangerous, ideologicallly driven nonsense. |
Or perhaps a polite cough followed by a polite question:
Owing to a global pandemic and financial Armageddon, would you like to extend your stay for, say, 25 years then reconsider your position? |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 14:11 - Nov 14 with 1593 views | Pendejo |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:20 - Nov 14 by bluelagos |
Not sure why Hunt isn't getting a look in. Compared to Gove or Patel he's like a Tory Mother Theresa. |
I'd like Bluebadger's input with regards Hunt, I'm pretty sure he will hold an opinion on him. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 14:31 - Nov 14 with 1578 views | BlueBadger |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:11 - Nov 14 by Pendejo |
I'd like Bluebadger's input with regards Hunt, I'm pretty sure he will hold an opinion on him. |
Well, he did a better job as health secretary than Hancock, if that helps.... |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 14:47 - Nov 14 with 1546 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The biggest problem with this is that the worst of them are abandoning ship allowing the blame on how bad it is to be laid at "not properly leaving". Farage has already started. There is almost an argument for having the complete "no deal" Brexit and getting the massive disaster simply to show what those who still want it are really after. However, one of those who still "believes" in it recently told me it will take 10 years before we see the benefits so (in his privileged eyes) we can't assess how bad (or good) it is until that long is up.
The divisions these Brexiteers have created are going to remain whatever happens. The failures will be blamed on remainers for not believing enough and sabotaging the project. Once people stopped trusting experts or dealing in facts we were sunk. I am uncertain how the ship can be lifted off the bottom of the ocean. |  |
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| Quote from the Times. on 19:34 - Nov 14 with 1451 views | Pendejo |
| Quote from the Times. on 14:31 - Nov 14 by BlueBadger |
Well, he did a better job as health secretary than Hancock, if that helps.... |
I had thought he was hated, and had a rhyming slang nickname.
Or was it Gove at DfE? | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 19:43 - Nov 14 with 1434 views | BlueBadger |
| Quote from the Times. on 19:34 - Nov 14 by Pendejo |
I had thought he was hated, and had a rhyming slang nickname.
Or was it Gove at DfE? |
I fear you're associating with 'doing a better job than Hancock' with 'actually doing a competent job and not being a fact-free thicko intent on clashing with the people working for you'. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 19:43 - Nov 14 with 1434 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Quote from the Times. on 19:34 - Nov 14 by Pendejo |
I had thought he was hated, and had a rhyming slang nickname.
Or was it Gove at DfE? |
You are right with Hunt. I am surprised to hear that Hancock is rated even worse. Even the staunch Conservative I know whose wife is a doctor said he wouldn't vote Conservative if Hunt won their leadership contest.
Gove had no rhyming nickname. He is widely recognised as having done so much damage to education that even successive education secretaries leaving things alone has done nothing to stem the on-going effects of Gove's utter disaster. Applauded by his Tory following to make it worse for sending education back towards the Victorian ages by changing everything without funding or notice. | |
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| Quote from the Times. on 21:17 - Nov 14 with 1386 views | gardins01 |
| Quote from the Times. on 13:41 - Nov 14 by ArnoldMoorhen |
The best thing that can happen right now is for the EU and the UK Government to issue a statement making it very clear that the UK has left the EU, but because of the extraordinary circumstances of the pandemic it has both been impossible to conclude a deal this year, and also it is unwise for the safety, security and prosperity of all parties for the UK to exit without a deal. Therefore the one year withdrawal period is to be extended for another year.
And if Peter Bone or Bill Cash start wittering about about being rule takers it is agreed that the whole nation shall shout in unison, "Oh shut the fck up you colossal bellend."
That is what should happen. Anything else is dangerous, ideologicallly driven nonsense. |
Are you mad. Another 12 months of taking rubbish. Do a deal now or agree that's it. | | | |
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