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Is there anyone out there on 07:17 - Nov 18 by Deano69
Come to that, when was the last one and where’s a future one coming from?
In fact, add the to any leader in any country?
Jacinda Ardern is doing a pretty good job in New Zealand, think we should go in for her in the January transfer window.
11 years of abysmal Tory leadership has really damaged our country, yet remarkably people keep voting for progressively worse versions of the same party. It's very odd.
Is there anyone out there on 07:20 - Nov 18 by noggin
Yeah but what about other people.... FFS.
It's all any Tory sympathiser has left in their locker now. "Yeah but they're all rubbish". No attempt to actually defend the PM or government, just pretend it doesn't matter because all other politicians are just as bad. They aren't of course, that's a fallacy, but it's a belief that enables them to justify their vote to themselves in lieu of any good reason.
Is there anyone out there on 07:17 - Nov 18 by Deano69
Come to that, when was the last one and where’s a future one coming from?
In fact, add the to any leader in any country?
This is the trouble lads. Everyone here really hated them some Theresa May during her time but you could make a strong case for her version of boring robotics right now. Especially since she and “Boris” basically think the same about everything important anyway. Once “Boris” either gets bored and gives up or they get rid of him someone even worse like Patel or Sunak will take over.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Is there anyone out there on 07:27 - Nov 18 by chicoazul
This is the trouble lads. Everyone here really hated them some Theresa May during her time but you could make a strong case for her version of boring robotics right now. Especially since she and “Boris” basically think the same about everything important anyway. Once “Boris” either gets bored and gives up or they get rid of him someone even worse like Patel or Sunak will take over.
Terrible as it sounds Gove is probably the least bad one out of the entire miserable crew. Not good is it.
No, but we need strong opposition. Some have said that the alternative parties are no better. One reply to that was"lame". It is true though. Ask Labour/Lib Dems what they would do differently and all they do is slang off the Conservatives. We need strong opposition to hold those in power to account. Easy to criticise when you are not in power. I think the Conservative party is never the right choice, but we need to hear from those in opposition what they would actually do themselves. Not in hindsight, but when in power. That way the people who have the power (us) can make a proper judgement on who to vote for. Politicians tell us what they think we want to hear, but I want to hear what Labour/Lib Dems would actually do if in power. Stop slagging them off and with hindsight, just what they would do if elected.
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Is there anyone out there on 09:30 - Nov 18 with 2042 views
Is there anyone out there on 09:24 - Nov 18 by Oldboy
No, but we need strong opposition. Some have said that the alternative parties are no better. One reply to that was"lame". It is true though. Ask Labour/Lib Dems what they would do differently and all they do is slang off the Conservatives. We need strong opposition to hold those in power to account. Easy to criticise when you are not in power. I think the Conservative party is never the right choice, but we need to hear from those in opposition what they would actually do themselves. Not in hindsight, but when in power. That way the people who have the power (us) can make a proper judgement on who to vote for. Politicians tell us what they think we want to hear, but I want to hear what Labour/Lib Dems would actually do if in power. Stop slagging them off and with hindsight, just what they would do if elected.
Labour literally put forward a motion on second jobs yesterday, which represented what they would propose on that issue if they were in power. The government voted against it.
It is also the role of opposition parties to hold the government to account, that is not "slagging them off", that is them doing their job. And at the last election, Labour put forward a comprehensive manifesto versus the Tories' three word slogan. Look at what happened then. I think the narrative you are pushing here doesn't have much basis and isn't very helpful, it's what the Tories and their compliant media want everyone to think as it helps keep them in power.
Is there anyone out there on 09:30 - Nov 18 by Herbivore
Labour literally put forward a motion on second jobs yesterday, which represented what they would propose on that issue if they were in power. The government voted against it.
It is also the role of opposition parties to hold the government to account, that is not "slagging them off", that is them doing their job. And at the last election, Labour put forward a comprehensive manifesto versus the Tories' three word slogan. Look at what happened then. I think the narrative you are pushing here doesn't have much basis and isn't very helpful, it's what the Tories and their compliant media want everyone to think as it helps keep them in power.
What have I said that isn't helpful? I said the opposition should hold the Government to account. I wasn't on about how they act in the playground which is the houses of parliament, but when you see/hear them on the tv/radio. They just say the Conservatives should have done this or that. I am against a conservative government, but I need to hear what the opposition would do differently.
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Is there anyone out there on 09:45 - Nov 18 with 1995 views
Is there anyone out there on 09:38 - Nov 18 by Oldboy
What have I said that isn't helpful? I said the opposition should hold the Government to account. I wasn't on about how they act in the playground which is the houses of parliament, but when you see/hear them on the tv/radio. They just say the Conservatives should have done this or that. I am against a conservative government, but I need to hear what the opposition would do differently.
So when they say the Conservatives should have done this or that, you don't think that counts as saying what they would have done differently? Because it sounds to me a lot like that is what they are doing.
The unhelpful bit is pushing the line that nobody else is any better than the Tories. I'm struggling to see what basis there is for such a claim. Their record in government has been abysmal, they are mired in sleaze and corruption. If you look at the number of Tories who also work as paid consultants/lobbyists for private interests and look at who is finding the party in contrast to the other parties you will see there are significant differences. And I gave you a concrete example of a hot topic issue where Labour proposed something different to the Tories and it got voted down. That's what tends to happen when you aren't the government.
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