| Academic Study on Ipswich Town 15:16 - Nov 21 with 3723 views | stijnutrecht |
Hi everyone,
I'm studying at the University of Essex and I am going to write an essay on the heritage of Ipswich Town. I've already sent an email to the club asking for help, but I was wondering if people on this forum could help me out with places to look or maybe fan clubs who have their own archive or something like that. Help is much appreciated so thanks in advance! |  | | |  |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:23 - Nov 21 with 3413 views | Illinoisblue |
Get yourself a copy of The Men Who Made the Town. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:52 - Nov 21 with 3369 views | acj |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:23 - Nov 21 by Illinoisblue |
Get yourself a copy of The Men Who Made the Town. |
I second this suggestion - TMWMTT is an unparalleled resource that will be massively helpful in your research for the essay. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:53 - Nov 21 with 3360 views | stijnutrecht |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:23 - Nov 21 by Illinoisblue |
Get yourself a copy of The Men Who Made the Town. |
Thanks for the shout. Got my copy straight away. Looked very interesting! | | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 18:42 - Nov 21 with 3172 views | Plums |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 15:53 - Nov 21 by stijnutrecht |
Thanks for the shout. Got my copy straight away. Looked very interesting! |
It's getting on a bit but you might this to be of interest too. Only a few quid online
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 18:51 - Nov 21 with 3154 views | BrianTablet |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 18:42 - Nov 21 by Plums |
It's getting on a bit but you might this to be of interest too. Only a few quid online
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The updated version has an in-depth chapter on how Jonathan Douglas forced a swathe of top coaches to rethink their tactical approach to the midfield dynamo position. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:13 - Nov 22 with 2878 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Dépends what you mean by heritage? The club has been through quite a few stages and is now a completely different animal to what it was in the last century.
To understand what the club once was you’d be well advised to read ‘the men who made the town’ and perhaps more importantly a little paperback ‘John Cobbold the most eccentric man in football’ , ever’ (or words to that effect). Those two tomes should give you an understanding of what the club was once about and the unique identity it once had
Alas just before the turn of the century it was used as a career opportunity by David Sheepshanks who saw nothing wrong in making the club insolvent whilst climbing the greasy pole at the FA. Financial meltdown was, unfortunately, just the first step in a very rapid decline as it was gifted to an unknown and invisible offshore ‘businessman’ , Marcus Evans who was so mysterious it took years for a photo of him to emerge. He managed after a decade of decline to unload it to a gang of opportunists who have, bizarrely, tapped into US pension fund to create a poor man’s Chelsea.
Now the club is the polar opposite of what it was once - like many/most football clubs and the current support base is delighted (until the wheels drop off). A once quaint local football club with its own identity, forged by decades of Cobbold patronage has become yet another US funded franchise.
By way of background to the current heritage of the club you might like to Google Bristol City - whose franchise model has been transferred lock, stock and barrel to Ipswich ( with US money instead of UK money) - and bizarrely perhaps Tucson FC and Rhode Island FC to see what murky waters Town are potentially sailing into with joyous support from money-doped ‘supporters’.
So the true heritage is a non-league team run in a certain Corinthian spirit way by the Cobbold family - a small club that grew organically to win the league in the early 60s and almost did so again in the 70s and 80s. Financial mismanagement and self interest turned it into one of 20 teams that ‘investors’ think belong in the Prem - and a ‘success-starved’ support base desperate to enjoy the good times most never saw , nor understand where it came from.
Now it’s in the hands of carpetbaggers who tried a strategy at Bristol City that didn’t quite work and might in theory at Ipswich. But in terms of heritage Ipswich are no different now to Dozens of other clubs. | |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:20 - Nov 22 with 2856 views | blueislander |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:13 - Nov 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
Dépends what you mean by heritage? The club has been through quite a few stages and is now a completely different animal to what it was in the last century.
To understand what the club once was you’d be well advised to read ‘the men who made the town’ and perhaps more importantly a little paperback ‘John Cobbold the most eccentric man in football’ , ever’ (or words to that effect). Those two tomes should give you an understanding of what the club was once about and the unique identity it once had
Alas just before the turn of the century it was used as a career opportunity by David Sheepshanks who saw nothing wrong in making the club insolvent whilst climbing the greasy pole at the FA. Financial meltdown was, unfortunately, just the first step in a very rapid decline as it was gifted to an unknown and invisible offshore ‘businessman’ , Marcus Evans who was so mysterious it took years for a photo of him to emerge. He managed after a decade of decline to unload it to a gang of opportunists who have, bizarrely, tapped into US pension fund to create a poor man’s Chelsea.
Now the club is the polar opposite of what it was once - like many/most football clubs and the current support base is delighted (until the wheels drop off). A once quaint local football club with its own identity, forged by decades of Cobbold patronage has become yet another US funded franchise.
By way of background to the current heritage of the club you might like to Google Bristol City - whose franchise model has been transferred lock, stock and barrel to Ipswich ( with US money instead of UK money) - and bizarrely perhaps Tucson FC and Rhode Island FC to see what murky waters Town are potentially sailing into with joyous support from money-doped ‘supporters’.
So the true heritage is a non-league team run in a certain Corinthian spirit way by the Cobbold family - a small club that grew organically to win the league in the early 60s and almost did so again in the 70s and 80s. Financial mismanagement and self interest turned it into one of 20 teams that ‘investors’ think belong in the Prem - and a ‘success-starved’ support base desperate to enjoy the good times most never saw , nor understand where it came from.
Now it’s in the hands of carpetbaggers who tried a strategy at Bristol City that didn’t quite work and might in theory at Ipswich. But in terms of heritage Ipswich are no different now to Dozens of other clubs. |
That is the view of a Norwich supporter, who, at this moment is very jealous of our success. | | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:10 - Nov 22 with 2778 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:20 - Nov 22 by blueislander |
That is the view of a Norwich supporter, who, at this moment is very jealous of our success. |
Am not so sure.
At the moment things are brilliant and we all hope that continues but we are, when all said and done, a tradeable commodity. We are subject to the vagaries of a ruthless marketplace. Most of the pensionholders/shareholders have probably never heard of us and they, ultimately, can determine our future survival. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:43 - Nov 22 with 2730 views | blueislander |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:10 - Nov 22 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Am not so sure.
At the moment things are brilliant and we all hope that continues but we are, when all said and done, a tradeable commodity. We are subject to the vagaries of a ruthless marketplace. Most of the pensionholders/shareholders have probably never heard of us and they, ultimately, can determine our future survival. |
But Elemphant in the room is a budgie, as his name suggests. Town’s successes have come at roughly 20 year intervals ;1960, 1980, 2000 , and now. We should enjoy this period for however long it may last. This is a minor investment by the pension fund, so it won’t be high on their watch list. | | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:46 - Nov 22 with 2720 views | Herbivore |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:10 - Nov 22 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Am not so sure.
At the moment things are brilliant and we all hope that continues but we are, when all said and done, a tradeable commodity. We are subject to the vagaries of a ruthless marketplace. Most of the pensionholders/shareholders have probably never heard of us and they, ultimately, can determine our future survival. |
The same is true of pretty much every football club though. We're no different and haven't been for decades really. It's fine to hark back with misty eyes to an era when football teams were full of local lads and owned by a local businessman who really had no idea how to run a football club but loved a glass of wine after the game with the lads. That hasn't been how football has been for the better part of 30-40 years. Harking back is fine, but the poster in question feels the need to be a massive whopper about it pretty much constantly and it tends to grate. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:48 - Nov 22 with 2706 views | baxterbasics |
What course are you on? Good luck - from an Essex Alumnus. |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:50 - Nov 22 with 2594 views | stijnutrecht |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 10:48 - Nov 22 by baxterbasics |
What course are you on? Good luck - from an Essex Alumnus. |
I am a postgraduate student in Museum and Heritage Studies. I always try to get as much football in my essays as possible, because it is a very underappreciated topic in academic writing. This essay I am going to write will be about football clubs as a sort of guardian of heritage. So the first step in this is to get a good view of what that heritage actually is.
The plan is to focus on other clubs in the southeast as well (for instance reasons why Ipswich Town are massive in this region and Colchester United is not, even though the cities are of similar size) and conclude what kind of role heritage has in the attraction of fans.
By the way, I am an Ipswich Town season ticket holder and just moved to England this October. I know the basics of the history but still want to dive deep in history books about the club, so all recommendations are much appreciated and thanks to everyone who has given me some tips! | | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 14:13 - Nov 22 with 2532 views | ChampionsofInnsbruck |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:13 - Nov 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
Dépends what you mean by heritage? The club has been through quite a few stages and is now a completely different animal to what it was in the last century.
To understand what the club once was you’d be well advised to read ‘the men who made the town’ and perhaps more importantly a little paperback ‘John Cobbold the most eccentric man in football’ , ever’ (or words to that effect). Those two tomes should give you an understanding of what the club was once about and the unique identity it once had
Alas just before the turn of the century it was used as a career opportunity by David Sheepshanks who saw nothing wrong in making the club insolvent whilst climbing the greasy pole at the FA. Financial meltdown was, unfortunately, just the first step in a very rapid decline as it was gifted to an unknown and invisible offshore ‘businessman’ , Marcus Evans who was so mysterious it took years for a photo of him to emerge. He managed after a decade of decline to unload it to a gang of opportunists who have, bizarrely, tapped into US pension fund to create a poor man’s Chelsea.
Now the club is the polar opposite of what it was once - like many/most football clubs and the current support base is delighted (until the wheels drop off). A once quaint local football club with its own identity, forged by decades of Cobbold patronage has become yet another US funded franchise.
By way of background to the current heritage of the club you might like to Google Bristol City - whose franchise model has been transferred lock, stock and barrel to Ipswich ( with US money instead of UK money) - and bizarrely perhaps Tucson FC and Rhode Island FC to see what murky waters Town are potentially sailing into with joyous support from money-doped ‘supporters’.
So the true heritage is a non-league team run in a certain Corinthian spirit way by the Cobbold family - a small club that grew organically to win the league in the early 60s and almost did so again in the 70s and 80s. Financial mismanagement and self interest turned it into one of 20 teams that ‘investors’ think belong in the Prem - and a ‘success-starved’ support base desperate to enjoy the good times most never saw , nor understand where it came from.
Now it’s in the hands of carpetbaggers who tried a strategy at Bristol City that didn’t quite work and might in theory at Ipswich. But in terms of heritage Ipswich are no different now to Dozens of other clubs. |
That's a new take on our return from decline. Do you honestly believe Gamechanger will do us dirty in the long run, and why? |  | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 16:31 - Nov 22 with 2382 views | TresBonne |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 09:13 - Nov 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
Dépends what you mean by heritage? The club has been through quite a few stages and is now a completely different animal to what it was in the last century.
To understand what the club once was you’d be well advised to read ‘the men who made the town’ and perhaps more importantly a little paperback ‘John Cobbold the most eccentric man in football’ , ever’ (or words to that effect). Those two tomes should give you an understanding of what the club was once about and the unique identity it once had
Alas just before the turn of the century it was used as a career opportunity by David Sheepshanks who saw nothing wrong in making the club insolvent whilst climbing the greasy pole at the FA. Financial meltdown was, unfortunately, just the first step in a very rapid decline as it was gifted to an unknown and invisible offshore ‘businessman’ , Marcus Evans who was so mysterious it took years for a photo of him to emerge. He managed after a decade of decline to unload it to a gang of opportunists who have, bizarrely, tapped into US pension fund to create a poor man’s Chelsea.
Now the club is the polar opposite of what it was once - like many/most football clubs and the current support base is delighted (until the wheels drop off). A once quaint local football club with its own identity, forged by decades of Cobbold patronage has become yet another US funded franchise.
By way of background to the current heritage of the club you might like to Google Bristol City - whose franchise model has been transferred lock, stock and barrel to Ipswich ( with US money instead of UK money) - and bizarrely perhaps Tucson FC and Rhode Island FC to see what murky waters Town are potentially sailing into with joyous support from money-doped ‘supporters’.
So the true heritage is a non-league team run in a certain Corinthian spirit way by the Cobbold family - a small club that grew organically to win the league in the early 60s and almost did so again in the 70s and 80s. Financial mismanagement and self interest turned it into one of 20 teams that ‘investors’ think belong in the Prem - and a ‘success-starved’ support base desperate to enjoy the good times most never saw , nor understand where it came from.
Now it’s in the hands of carpetbaggers who tried a strategy at Bristol City that didn’t quite work and might in theory at Ipswich. But in terms of heritage Ipswich are no different now to Dozens of other clubs. |
You're so boring and weird Elephant. Like genuinely I can't believe you are such a miserable git. How is life in any way enjoyable for you being this mopey, miserable mess 24/7? |  | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 16:35 - Nov 22 with 2371 views | wkj |
This might help
At the training ground this one time Michael Chopra once fingered Arron Cresswell to a mobster who was seeking £150,000 from Choprah for loan debts |  |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 22:57 - Nov 22 with 2209 views | Freddies_Ears |
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:34 - Nov 23 with 2054 views | Sharkey |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:50 - Nov 22 by stijnutrecht |
I am a postgraduate student in Museum and Heritage Studies. I always try to get as much football in my essays as possible, because it is a very underappreciated topic in academic writing. This essay I am going to write will be about football clubs as a sort of guardian of heritage. So the first step in this is to get a good view of what that heritage actually is.
The plan is to focus on other clubs in the southeast as well (for instance reasons why Ipswich Town are massive in this region and Colchester United is not, even though the cities are of similar size) and conclude what kind of role heritage has in the attraction of fans.
By the way, I am an Ipswich Town season ticket holder and just moved to England this October. I know the basics of the history but still want to dive deep in history books about the club, so all recommendations are much appreciated and thanks to everyone who has given me some tips! |
"why Ipswich Town are massive in this region and Colchester United is not". (I would also add that Ipswich has always had a whole county behind it.)
The key moment is probably the one I link here. Until then, the clubs were not hugely different in scope, though of course Portman Road was always going to be much easier to develop than Layer Road.
https://www.footballstatisticsresults.co.uk/english_1956_division_3_south_league [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 12:35]
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:47 - Nov 23 with 2009 views | stijnutrecht |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:34 - Nov 23 by Sharkey |
"why Ipswich Town are massive in this region and Colchester United is not". (I would also add that Ipswich has always had a whole county behind it.)
The key moment is probably the one I link here. Until then, the clubs were not hugely different in scope, though of course Portman Road was always going to be much easier to develop than Layer Road.
https://www.footballstatisticsresults.co.uk/english_1956_division_3_south_league [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 12:35]
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That's very interesting, thanks for bringing this up. Also the backing of a whole county is an interesting fact which I wouldn't have thought about in the first place :) | | | |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 13:21 - Nov 23 with 1967 views | DJR |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 12:47 - Nov 23 by stijnutrecht |
That's very interesting, thanks for bringing this up. Also the backing of a whole county is an interesting fact which I wouldn't have thought about in the first place :) |
Another interesting thing is that both Ipswich (1938) and Colchester (1950) were rather late to be elected to the Football League. And Ipswich didn't even turn professional until 1936.
I don't think this can be put down just to the fact that football tended to take hold first in northern industrial towns and cities because Reading, Brighton, Southend and Norwich, for example, entered the football league around 1920.
Quite why the area was a relative backwater for football until fairly late in the day I don't know but maybe this is something worth looking into. Maybe its agricultural, rather than industrial, heritage played a part. [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 13:22]
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| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 13:35 - Nov 23 with 1935 views | Sharkey |
| Academic Study on Ipswich Town on 13:21 - Nov 23 by DJR |
Another interesting thing is that both Ipswich (1938) and Colchester (1950) were rather late to be elected to the Football League. And Ipswich didn't even turn professional until 1936.
I don't think this can be put down just to the fact that football tended to take hold first in northern industrial towns and cities because Reading, Brighton, Southend and Norwich, for example, entered the football league around 1920.
Quite why the area was a relative backwater for football until fairly late in the day I don't know but maybe this is something worth looking into. Maybe its agricultural, rather than industrial, heritage played a part. [Post edited 23 Nov 2023 13:22]
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What's often not noticed is how lucky Colchester were to get into (and stay in) the league and how unlucky Chelmsford were not to: at one time Chelmsford were as big a club as Colchester and Ipswich and for that matter Norwich.
Wikipedia:
"Chelmsford applied for Football League membership in 1947, 1948, 1950 and 1951 and 1956 but were unsuccessful on each occasion; their eight votes in 1950 put them second amongst the unsuccessful clubs, and marked their highest-ever vote total.[9]
They won the Southern League Cup again in 1959–60 and the league title in 1967–68 and 1971–72. They continued to apply to join the Football League, making bids in 1960, 1961, 1962, and every year between 1967 and 1971 and again from 1973 until 1976, but were unsuccessful;[9] In total the club had 17 unsuccessful attempts at election into the Football League between 1947 and 1976.[ | | | |
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