| Sympathy for the old devil 13:47 - Feb 6 with 2291 views | tractorshark |
I was a pretty staunch Mick In sort of person and felt he had to be given the season.
Then Lincoln tipped me over the edge and I wanted him gone.
I haven't particularly changed my mind, I still believe every manager has a shelf life and we are frustratingly inconsistent.
But having listened to Milne's interview, I have wavered on Mick or at least I now have more sympathy for him.
I don't excuse him for playing the likes of Douglas week in, week out but, Jesus wept, it appears as though he has been working with one hand tied behind his back.
The transfer window was not his fault, the blame must lie with Evans and Milne, who live in cloud cuckoo land when it comes to football.
In fact if it hadn't have been for Mick's contacts and eye for a player, we wouldn't have got Huws...or for that matter Lawrence last summer.
It's no coincidence that we played well on Saturday because we had better players available in midfield.
I'll blame Mick for Douglas but let's be honest Bru, Bishop and Dozzell have struggled to dominate midfields this season.
Mick may still not be the answer, I suspect he will walk away anyway in the summer, but I have softened my stance since hearing Milne and I imagine others have as well.
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:04 - Feb 6 with 1779 views | theipswichman |
I think it would be a big mistake if we let Mccarthy go in the summer, others may disagree but he's a very good manager. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:04]
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| It would seem that..... on 14:07 - Feb 6 with 1753 views | Bloots |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:04 - Feb 6 by theipswichman |
I think it would be a big mistake if we let Mccarthy go in the summer, others may disagree but he's a very good manager. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:04]
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....he's made his mind up, I doubt there's much we can do about it now.
What will be a shame is that if (by any miracle) Evans does spend some cash MM doesn't get the chance to see what he could do with it.
My concern is that when MM goes, the new bloke gets the dough and we are left in a Keane/Jewell situation. |  |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:11 - Feb 6 with 1731 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:04 - Feb 6 by theipswichman |
I think it would be a big mistake if we let Mccarthy go in the summer, others may disagree but he's a very good manager. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:04]
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I think if he wants to go, it would be a massive mistake to keep him.
He seems fed up.... with everything. Who wouldn't be?! LOL
Needs a new man, with some fresh ideas and energy. |  |
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| It would seem that..... on 14:14 - Feb 6 with 1711 views | PJH |
| It would seem that..... on 14:07 - Feb 6 by Bloots |
....he's made his mind up, I doubt there's much we can do about it now.
What will be a shame is that if (by any miracle) Evans does spend some cash MM doesn't get the chance to see what he could do with it.
My concern is that when MM goes, the new bloke gets the dough and we are left in a Keane/Jewell situation. |
I am not sure that he has made his mind up,although the wording of his statements on the subject would seem to suggest that he intends to pack it in in the summer.
I think what happens on the pitch, and whatever crowd reaction to it is off the pitch, in the next three months will make his mind up.
I have not for a moment stopped wanting him still to be here next season although at times (especially after Lincoln away)have thought it looked very unlikely. |  | | |
| It would seem that..... on 14:14 - Feb 6 with 1706 views | BlueBadger |
| It would seem that..... on 14:07 - Feb 6 by Bloots |
....he's made his mind up, I doubt there's much we can do about it now.
What will be a shame is that if (by any miracle) Evans does spend some cash MM doesn't get the chance to see what he could do with it.
My concern is that when MM goes, the new bloke gets the dough and we are left in a Keane/Jewell situation. |
The last week or who has seen the 'Megson Out' committee move to MegCon 2, just as a precautionary measure. |  |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:15 - Feb 6 with 1709 views | Guthrum |
As I pointed out in another thread, Douglas may not have been a good option, but he was one of the few McCarthy has had available for much of the season. The alternatives being the inconsistent and not defensively strong Bru or the still very young Dozzell. |  |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:20 - Feb 6 with 1655 views | Guthrum |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:11 - Feb 6 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I think if he wants to go, it would be a massive mistake to keep him.
He seems fed up.... with everything. Who wouldn't be?! LOL
Needs a new man, with some fresh ideas and energy. |
I do wonder if McCarthy's playing a "wait and see" game, if he can get to a position where some better performances have allowed us to climb the table a fair bit and the fans begin to back him again.
I think few things would give him more satisfaction than the team being able to make something respectable out of the inconsistent mess which has been the season so far - and to be able to say "I told you so". | |
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| It would seem that..... on 14:22 - Feb 6 with 1639 views | Guthrum |
| It would seem that..... on 14:14 - Feb 6 by BlueBadger |
The last week or who has seen the 'Megson Out' committee move to MegCon 2, just as a precautionary measure. |
The old Curbishley twitch has made a reappearance, too. | |
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| It would seem that..... on 14:23 - Feb 6 with 1632 views | BlueBadger |
| It would seem that..... on 14:22 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
The old Curbishley twitch has made a reappearance, too. |
How are the property values in Woodbridge looking at the moment? That's a sure indicator. | |
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| It would seem that..... on 14:23 - Feb 6 with 1625 views | Guthrum |
| It would seem that..... on 14:23 - Feb 6 by BlueBadger |
How are the property values in Woodbridge looking at the moment? That's a sure indicator. |
Does he not still own most of it? | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 with 1608 views | PJH |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:20 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
I do wonder if McCarthy's playing a "wait and see" game, if he can get to a position where some better performances have allowed us to climb the table a fair bit and the fans begin to back him again.
I think few things would give him more satisfaction than the team being able to make something respectable out of the inconsistent mess which has been the season so far - and to be able to say "I told you so". |
That is what I was meaning.
I think if we do end up in a more respectable position than we are now and if the necessary improvement in results to achieve that happens along with more off the pitch atmosphere's like last Saturday then he might well wish to continue. | | | |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 with 1610 views | ClausThomsen |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:15 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
As I pointed out in another thread, Douglas may not have been a good option, but he was one of the few McCarthy has had available for much of the season. The alternatives being the inconsistent and not defensively strong Bru or the still very young Dozzell. |
Grant Ward's been available all season to play central midfield...
It worries me how slow McCarthy is to spot a player past his best or horribly out of form and make the change. His dithering and over-loyalty costs us points, especially over the last 2 seasons. | | | |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:31 - Feb 6 with 1559 views | Guthrum |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 by ClausThomsen |
Grant Ward's been available all season to play central midfield...
It worries me how slow McCarthy is to spot a player past his best or horribly out of form and make the change. His dithering and over-loyalty costs us points, especially over the last 2 seasons. |
If he sticks Ward in the middle, who plays right wing/out wide?
It's easy to spot out-of-form , etc. players, but less easy to replace then with the squad we have had. Even if you think a youth player could have stepped up the way Emmanuel has, it's still a risk. And DM is a very physical role for a yong man still growing. | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:31 - Feb 6 with 1543 views | Guthrum |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 by PJH |
That is what I was meaning.
I think if we do end up in a more respectable position than we are now and if the necessary improvement in results to achieve that happens along with more off the pitch atmosphere's like last Saturday then he might well wish to continue. |
Indeed. Hadn't read your post when I wrote mine. | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:37 - Feb 6 with 1512 views | ClausThomsen |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:31 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
If he sticks Ward in the middle, who plays right wing/out wide?
It's easy to spot out-of-form , etc. players, but less easy to replace then with the squad we have had. Even if you think a youth player could have stepped up the way Emmanuel has, it's still a risk. And DM is a very physical role for a yong man still growing. |
Freddie Sears or Kevin Bru have both played there. With a fully fit squad, these are the only backup options at right midfield (unless you count Bishop - which you shouldn't). Edit - and "Reg", who imo was much better at right midfield than he ever was up front.
When it became obvious Douglas was gone, the change should have been made. Not because opposing fans were filming him or because our fans booed him, but because the manager spotted it and acted accordingly. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:39]
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 15:38 - Feb 6 with 1377 views | Guthrum |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:37 - Feb 6 by ClausThomsen |
Freddie Sears or Kevin Bru have both played there. With a fully fit squad, these are the only backup options at right midfield (unless you count Bishop - which you shouldn't). Edit - and "Reg", who imo was much better at right midfield than he ever was up front.
When it became obvious Douglas was gone, the change should have been made. Not because opposing fans were filming him or because our fans booed him, but because the manager spotted it and acted accordingly. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:39]
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'When it became obvious that Douglas was gone' - the general consensus was that Douglas was much improved in his first few appearances this season. After the end of August, it's no longer possible to do anything about a situation, apart from signing out-of-contract players.
Sears has mostly played on the left when he's been out wide. Bru is no more reliable on the wing than in the centre, merely moving the problem to another area of the pitch. In any case, being a wide man in a front three is different to playing as an out-and-out winger, doesn't require having to cover the whole touchline. | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 15:49 - Feb 6 with 1334 views | tractorshark |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 by ClausThomsen |
Grant Ward's been available all season to play central midfield...
It worries me how slow McCarthy is to spot a player past his best or horribly out of form and make the change. His dithering and over-loyalty costs us points, especially over the last 2 seasons. |
I like Ward but I'm not convinced he's a central midfielder.
He was great against Barnsley at home but he needs physical strength alongside him.
He gets lost a bit in there.
He's not what I would call an out and out winger either but I do prefer him there.
It maybe with the likes of Toumani he can be more effective in the centre. | | | |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 15:54 - Feb 6 with 1314 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:31 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
Indeed. Hadn't read your post when I wrote mine. |
Get a room!! | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 16:11 - Feb 6 with 1271 views | hadleighboyblue |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:25 - Feb 6 by ClausThomsen |
Grant Ward's been available all season to play central midfield...
It worries me how slow McCarthy is to spot a player past his best or horribly out of form and make the change. His dithering and over-loyalty costs us points, especially over the last 2 seasons. |
The midfield has been poor for some time , playing Douglas was a mistake , but others , in particular Skuse and Bru were failing to make an impact .
The midfield on Saturday was like a breath of fresh air with the 2 new players making an immediate impact and Ward looking more like the player we saw when he first came here .
Their first thought was not to pass back , but look for a forward pass , unlike Skuse and it livened up the forwards - how often before saturday have we seen the type of the 2 lovely passes that lead to our goals | | | |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 16:38 - Feb 6 with 1203 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 14:04 - Feb 6 by theipswichman |
I think it would be a big mistake if we let Mccarthy go in the summer, others may disagree but he's a very good manager. [Post edited 6 Feb 2017 14:04]
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It would be a huge mistake not to make a change in the summer. We need a clear out in every department including the players.
The best thing would be for Evans to sell the club to someone who will invest significant funds in the club. We desperately need better players.
However we also need a new manager with new ideas. We are on a downward spiral which I can't see changing without a new regime. Mick's had a fair crack at it, it will be 4 and a half years by the end of the season and that is long enough. Under Burley you felt the team was getting stronger every season. Under Mick it's the opposite. |  |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 16:39 - Feb 6 with 1194 views | Guthrum |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 17:16 - Feb 6 with 1134 views | Swn98 |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 16:38 - Feb 6 by The_Last_Baron |
It would be a huge mistake not to make a change in the summer. We need a clear out in every department including the players.
The best thing would be for Evans to sell the club to someone who will invest significant funds in the club. We desperately need better players.
However we also need a new manager with new ideas. We are on a downward spiral which I can't see changing without a new regime. Mick's had a fair crack at it, it will be 4 and a half years by the end of the season and that is long enough. Under Burley you felt the team was getting stronger every season. Under Mick it's the opposite. |
We're you at Saturdays game? | | | |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 18:44 - Feb 6 with 1031 views | ClausThomsen |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 15:38 - Feb 6 by Guthrum |
'When it became obvious that Douglas was gone' - the general consensus was that Douglas was much improved in his first few appearances this season. After the end of August, it's no longer possible to do anything about a situation, apart from signing out-of-contract players.
Sears has mostly played on the left when he's been out wide. Bru is no more reliable on the wing than in the centre, merely moving the problem to another area of the pitch. In any case, being a wide man in a front three is different to playing as an out-and-out winger, doesn't require having to cover the whole touchline. |
Well then, that's surely another failing in the squad Mick has assembled - one's he said he was delighted with pre-season.
If Ward gets injured, who plays right midfield?
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 18:54 - Feb 6 with 1004 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 17:16 - Feb 6 by Swn98 |
We're you at Saturdays game? |
One good performance on the back of several very poor ones will not change how I view the current mess at Ipswich. | |
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| Sympathy for the old devil on 19:24 - Feb 6 with 932 views | Swn98 |
| Sympathy for the old devil on 18:54 - Feb 6 by The_Last_Baron |
One good performance on the back of several very poor ones will not change how I view the current mess at Ipswich. |
I have to assume you weren't at the game Saturday. | | | |
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