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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 12:15 15 Dec 2018
It's certainly true that a level of dodgyness continues under the two party system. Other than the examples you mention, we can refer to how the Tories grunted to the right when confronted with the rise of NF. We can also refer to fluid membership between the Tories and BNP. However, with PR it is possible that the current UKIP shower could determine the government and therefore have inflated power. Coalitions aren't necessarily going to introduce median voter policies.
I am conflicted mind you. I also think that a PR system could eliminate consensus politics (such as New Labour just offering austerity-lite). Small parties can be a catalyst for innovation and radical focus. Green involvement, for example, could stop the general slide back to environmental inaction that characterises all recent governments. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 10:47 15 Dec 2018
Generally speaking I am a big fan of eliminating the limitations associated with a 2 party system. Given most folk are anti-Tory, it's also gut wrenching that they have an inflated position that allows them to destroy the welfare state, the NHS and any notion of equality of opportunity.
Despite that, we should acknowledge the risks associated with proportional representation. First, coalitions aren't necessarily a good thing. As they scramble for an alliance, for example, that can actually increase the power of the bigoted far right. Second, whilst we suffer from broken manifesto promises, you're guaranteed to have no say as policy outcomes will reflect bargaining behind closed doors.Third, you can still get inflated importance which doesn't reflect electoral success. Imagine, for example, the uselessness involved with the Liberals permanently in government... |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 12:50 13 Dec 2018
I'd say that any publication employing John Rentoul is going to be suspect in the credibility stakes! Just a personal opinion mind you.
Better of course to construct your own argument, rather than just saying "I read it from some geezer in some rag" |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 09:42 13 Dec 2018
It was mere reference to economics. With respect, you've been manipulated towards a false narrative. Mainstream economists have been voicing their concerns over austerity and neoliberalism for yonks. The Tories have made the economy weaker, selling a market fundamentalism that has only inflamed inequalities.
It's easy to attack Corbyn's plans. I don't think they go far enough. We need more focus, for example, on a switch to worker ownership. However, referring to destabilization- whilst ignoring how the economy is already destabilized because of right wing economic policy error- is not credible. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 09:29 13 Dec 2018
Corporation tax is about ensuring equity, such that tax is not too focused on the individual. It's also linked to economic efficiency as those profits often reflect market concentration and therefore can be classed as 'economic rent.
Labour's investment bank focus is a proven success elsewhere. It will encourage firm creation and a further shift towards small and medium sized enterprises. Labour are ultimately providing genuine economic choice. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 09:16 13 Dec 2018
We've had years of irrational policy, reflecting neoliberalism and austerity. That has ensured a weak economy, characterised by extreme inequalities (across class and region) and too much focus on the financial sector. We can blame the Tories (i.e. Thatcher's failed monetarist experiment) and New Labour (who maintained Thatcherism and deepened the structural flaws).
Corbyn's Labour is offering a solution. Constructed around sound economic policies adopted in social democracy, it is based on shifting emphasis from consumer-led to investment-led. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 22:56 12 Dec 2018
Then again, by propping up a Tory government, your lot ensured they lost any resemblance of power. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 22:46 12 Dec 2018
No it isn't. We wait for outcomes such as Parliament rejecting the deal. The DUP have confirmed that they will support the government. People's Vote have confirmed that they will support the government.
A vote of no confidence is guaranteed to lose now. But that's what they want. They aren't interested in ending this horrid government. They want to focus everything on a People's Vote, no matter what. Their game playing is pathetically transparent. |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 22:28 12 Dec 2018
Its about waiting until it can be successful. We know, without any doubt, that it would fail now. The People's Vote on last night's Newsnight keenly demonstrated that, with the Tory laughing at Labour for not calling a vote of no confidence that she said wouldn't support.
It's not about false "be bold". It is about doing what's right for the country. Pandering to the petty games played by the People's Vote Brigade isn't part of that! |
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Reply | But what about Corbyn eh?
at 22:13 12 Dec 2018
And lose it? That wouldn't be cunning. The Tories would be united; and the petty parties would steer Labour towards a 'people's vote' and the likes of Anna Soubry (which is ultimately their game).
Labour needs to look at the bigger picture: how to eliminate this disgrace of a government and save the remaining public services, from child services to the NHS. |
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Reply | A bit of perspective ....
at 00:08 29 Sep 2018
Profit? Crikey! If Evans is after profit he needs to listen to his Mike Ashley colleague...
The problem is that you demand too much and offer too little |
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Reply | A bit of perspective ....
at 23:51 28 Sep 2018
"Hurst is a nice guy, do we all want him to succeed ? Of course we do. "
I don't think that. Rather than nice, I think he's a clever so and so. We sit here pretending to know more, ready to sneer and type guff. He of course knows much more and also has the ability to manage our stupidity. This forum is just a poor representation of 'us', given "I knows football I does" knuckle-dragging grunts loudest. |
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Reply | A win tomorrow could see us relegated
at 23:29 28 Sep 2018
Its important we win just one nil. Anything more will just give the manager too much leeway. A four or five nil win and he would have free reign to underfeed a gerbil |
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Reply | Have Labour had a good conference?
at 14:55 28 Sep 2018
That bright students reject the obsession with neoclassical economics is clear, as shown by the multiple student movements demanding change in curriculum.
The point is simple: perfect competition isn't a good intro to market failure. It simply imposes a false narrative. |
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