| Red card ruling on abandoned games 13:30 - Sep 21 with 4033 views | kizaitfc |
Very odd from what I understand all referee decisions stand so presumably all yellows will stand. This seems a little unfair given the 5 yellow card rule which means player from both sides will effectively play an extra game meaning they stand a higher chance of accumulating 5 yellows before cut off.
Just seems very odd if the game is cancelled that any decisions remain. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 with 3522 views | redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:28 - Sep 21 with 3511 views | pelles321 |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. |
Think the issue raised is about the yellow cards, which seems reasonable. |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:36 - Sep 21 with 3469 views | BouncebackIpswich |
Thought it was only the red that stood? |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:38 - Sep 21 with 3466 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:28 - Sep 21 by pelles321 |
Think the issue raised is about the yellow cards, which seems reasonable. |
Yellow cards issued yesterday would still count but not be carried over to the replayed game. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:43 - Sep 21 with 3424 views | Garv |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:38 - Sep 21 by Pinewoodblue |
Yellow cards issued yesterday would still count but not be carried over to the replayed game. |
Surely that isn't fair for either side, for the reasons mentioned above? |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:45 - Sep 21 with 3415 views | Garv |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. |
I can understand it for violent conduct but for a professional foul it feels harsh. If the game is null and void the whole thing should be null and void. | |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:47 - Sep 21 with 3394 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. |
I can see your point of view - but the infringement was against Blackburn and they won't benefit from it at all. In fact it could go against them. If, for example, it were our star player being sent off and we were playing a close rival of Blackburn in the next game where they'd want us to be full-strength.
Red cards in abandoned games are pretty rare, so personally I think the easiest thing to do is assume the game never happened (including any cards dished out). On balance that seems the most sensible course of action. I think it gets a bit problematic and silly when you say some things count and some things don't. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:48 - Sep 21 with 3393 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
I think it makes sense.
No complaints from me. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:50 - Sep 21 with 3364 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:47 - Sep 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can see your point of view - but the infringement was against Blackburn and they won't benefit from it at all. In fact it could go against them. If, for example, it were our star player being sent off and we were playing a close rival of Blackburn in the next game where they'd want us to be full-strength.
Red cards in abandoned games are pretty rare, so personally I think the easiest thing to do is assume the game never happened (including any cards dished out). On balance that seems the most sensible course of action. I think it gets a bit problematic and silly when you say some things count and some things don't. |
They should look at the nature of the red card when they review the abandoned game, and decide case by case, if it's violent conduct or abuse to the ref uphold it, but if it's a professional foul then rescind. Plus all yellows rescinded. That approach would see Greaves off the hook | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:53 - Sep 21 with 3349 views | franz_tyson |
However unfair it seems, if we get another chance of a replay (90 mins/ 11v 11) we've won the lottery.
I'd be seriously peed off if the roles were reversed where we were a goal and a man up on 79 mins... and we had to start it all again.
Matusiwa getting another yellow is probably more significant than a ban for Greaves. Matusiwa is on 3 or 4 yellows now? | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:53 - Sep 21 with 3337 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:50 - Sep 21 by BouncebackIpswich |
They should look at the nature of the red card when they review the abandoned game, and decide case by case, if it's violent conduct or abuse to the ref uphold it, but if it's a professional foul then rescind. Plus all yellows rescinded. That approach would see Greaves off the hook |
When you are into reviewing how bad the card was to decide what happens, you are making a bad rule that is not clear or consistent. | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:55 - Sep 21 with 3311 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:50 - Sep 21 by BouncebackIpswich |
They should look at the nature of the red card when they review the abandoned game, and decide case by case, if it's violent conduct or abuse to the ref uphold it, but if it's a professional foul then rescind. Plus all yellows rescinded. That approach would see Greaves off the hook |
Yeah, and I'm not even trying to get Greaves off the hook. I quite like the idea of Kipre getting a game to see what he's about. I just think that's the most common sense approach. I'd be saying the same if a Blackburn player had been sent off for something similar. | |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 15:01 - Sep 21 with 3240 views | urbanpenguin |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:47 - Sep 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can see your point of view - but the infringement was against Blackburn and they won't benefit from it at all. In fact it could go against them. If, for example, it were our star player being sent off and we were playing a close rival of Blackburn in the next game where they'd want us to be full-strength.
Red cards in abandoned games are pretty rare, so personally I think the easiest thing to do is assume the game never happened (including any cards dished out). On balance that seems the most sensible course of action. I think it gets a bit problematic and silly when you say some things count and some things don't. |
A ban as a result of a red card is not designed to benefit the team it occurred against, but punish the player and team who committed it. |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 15:10 - Sep 21 with 3168 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 15:01 - Sep 21 by urbanpenguin |
A ban as a result of a red card is not designed to benefit the team it occurred against, but punish the player and team who committed it. |
I'm aware of what it is, I'm just saying I disagree. Blackburn were the ones infringed, but they get no benefit at all. And as I've shown, it could even go against them. How is that fair on Blackburn?
In this case I'm not sure it entirely punishes us either, given quite a few of us want to see Kipre given a chance! | |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 15:14 - Sep 21 with 3149 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:55 - Sep 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Yeah, and I'm not even trying to get Greaves off the hook. I quite like the idea of Kipre getting a game to see what he's about. I just think that's the most common sense approach. I'd be saying the same if a Blackburn player had been sent off for something similar. |
Yes, exactly, (and for the record I agree, don't think Kipre in for Greaves for a few games is a massive blow), doing it this way means you're not ignoring unacceptable conduct or blatant intent to injure etc but it also means that any sort of fouls that occurred due to playing a game of football are expunged along with the game itself, makes more sense than wiping the game but retaining some select consequences of said game... | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 15:56 - Sep 21 with 2999 views | Sharkey |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:47 - Sep 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can see your point of view - but the infringement was against Blackburn and they won't benefit from it at all. In fact it could go against them. If, for example, it were our star player being sent off and we were playing a close rival of Blackburn in the next game where they'd want us to be full-strength.
Red cards in abandoned games are pretty rare, so personally I think the easiest thing to do is assume the game never happened (including any cards dished out). On balance that seems the most sensible course of action. I think it gets a bit problematic and silly when you say some things count and some things don't. |
Of course the first paragraph is true every time a player gets a suspension. |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 09:32 - Sep 22 with 2038 views | BlueBlood90 |
I completely agree. Why should players be punished for a game which effectively never happened?
You could also argue that neither the red card or the penalty incidents would've happened in the first place had we been playing on a competent pitch.
As you say, we now have a 47 game season disciplinary wise when everyone else has 46. It's just not right. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 10:19 - Sep 22 with 1857 views | RIPbobby |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. |
But you would if Blackburn went bust. Surely all their fixtures and results get expunged and we carry on as they never existed. |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 10:19 - Sep 22 with 1853 views | TractorWood |
We burgled a replay. Don't push it. |  |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 10:31 - Sep 22 with 1795 views | Durovigutum |
In grassroots football abandonments are most often through issue of multiple red cards and a game out of control - so I get that (not all obviously, more medical emergencies here where I live than punch ups last season).
But it does seem like one that a panel should review, yellows specifically. Would the red have happened if the pitch had been playable? |  | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 11:32 - Sep 22 with 1606 views | Axeldalai_lama |
No, can't agree. They are the governing body over football games and are trying to get the players to play by the rules. They broke the rules of the game and were punished, that's basically what a yellow card system and bans etc is for. The fact that the game was then called off is irrelevant to me. They played the game they, commited rule breaches, for want of a better way than fouls, and were punished for breaching those rules. Completely fair in my eyes. The FA don't care what happens afterwards, just that the rules were broken in that moment. [Post edited 22 Sep 11:43]
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 12:45 - Sep 22 with 1334 views | mellowblue |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 11:32 - Sep 22 by Axeldalai_lama |
No, can't agree. They are the governing body over football games and are trying to get the players to play by the rules. They broke the rules of the game and were punished, that's basically what a yellow card system and bans etc is for. The fact that the game was then called off is irrelevant to me. They played the game they, commited rule breaches, for want of a better way than fouls, and were punished for breaching those rules. Completely fair in my eyes. The FA don't care what happens afterwards, just that the rules were broken in that moment. [Post edited 22 Sep 11:43]
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could argue the same for goals scored and appearances made. Are these expunged or are included in the goasl or appearances tally for each player? | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:50 - Sep 22 with 1054 views | Axeldalai_lama |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 12:45 - Sep 22 by mellowblue |
could argue the same for goals scored and appearances made. Are these expunged or are included in the goasl or appearances tally for each player? |
Yeah, don't know. Even in replying I've changed my mind back and forth, can see your point too, but I just think there is a more straightforward and paramount responsibility on the powers in charge to punish wrongdoing and rule breaking than there is to tally up goals and appearances that complicate things. Dunno! | | | |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 16:24 - Sep 22 with 834 views | monty_radio |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:47 - Sep 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I can see your point of view - but the infringement was against Blackburn and they won't benefit from it at all. In fact it could go against them. If, for example, it were our star player being sent off and we were playing a close rival of Blackburn in the next game where they'd want us to be full-strength.
Red cards in abandoned games are pretty rare, so personally I think the easiest thing to do is assume the game never happened (including any cards dished out). On balance that seems the most sensible course of action. I think it gets a bit problematic and silly when you say some things count and some things don't. |
I think that, in the case of abandonment, they could draw a distinction between cards for dangerous play and those for an offence such as commited by Greaves on the basis that that particular foul had no ultimate bearing on the result. | |
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| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 16:34 - Sep 22 with 759 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Red card ruling on abandoned games on 14:23 - Sep 21 by redrickstuhaart |
Not really. A red card is serious ill discipline and needs a punishment. You shouldnt get away with it because of an abandoned game. |
I’m not saying this just because it’s us, but isn’t it unfair if the cards were at least partly due to the conditions? Chances are some of those yellows don’t stand without such a wet pitch. Mind you, the ref was using a random number generator to make his decisions, so who knows. |  |
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