| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club 19:07 - Jul 30 with 1146 views | Vic |
and was invited to join a mens league, where would their level realistically be? At what standard would they be able to hold their own against a mens team?
Conference? League 2 at a push maybe? |  |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:09 - Jul 30 with 1105 views | Herbivore |
Quite a bit lower than that. |  |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:10 - Jul 30 with 1083 views | JakeITFC |
I think that they have some players that are technically probably on the level of a lower league side but physicality wise they’d be absolutely nowhere near it from any men’s team from about U16 up.
Not a slight on them at all, they’re a great women’s team but it’s basically a different sport. |  | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:11 - Jul 30 with 1062 views | blueoutlook |
Sunday morning league somewhere in the middle of nowhere.Its a different sport lm afraid. [Post edited 30 Jul 19:12]
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:11 - Jul 30 with 1063 views | Linners |
They'd be village level, or maybe U14/U15 of an Academy team, but I don't really understand why people (not just the OP) are interested in this as it's meaningless. |  | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:13 - Jul 30 with 1011 views | Linners |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:11 - Jul 30 by Linners |
They'd be village level, or maybe U14/U15 of an Academy team, but I don't really understand why people (not just the OP) are interested in this as it's meaningless. |
I suspect there are middle school kids that can swim faster than Ellie Simmonds. | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:14 - Jul 30 with 1005 views | bsw72 |
Why ask a question like this?
Women’s football and men’s football are completely different styles due to physical differences, they just happen to be played to the same rules.
I don’t see the same being asked of women’s rugby or hockey etc etc |  | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:15 - Jul 30 with 979 views | Vic |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:11 - Jul 30 by Linners |
They'd be village level, or maybe U14/U15 of an Academy team, but I don't really understand why people (not just the OP) are interested in this as it's meaningless. |
Just curious really. I’ve not been to any womens game, let alone and England game, so I’m in no real position to judge, but I’m wondering if thier control and skill might be better than we give them credit for?
Where they’d come unstuck is their size and strength in the tackle. But would they be better than your average 16 Yr old cat 1 scholar? | |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:22 - Jul 30 with 904 views | Dubtractor |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:14 - Jul 30 by bsw72 |
Why ask a question like this?
Women’s football and men’s football are completely different styles due to physical differences, they just happen to be played to the same rules.
I don’t see the same being asked of women’s rugby or hockey etc etc |
I like the women's game, and am hugely in favour of the support and promotion it gets given, but it's a real bug bear of mine when people (not the op which is a genuine question) start saying stuff about equal pay etc.
It's a completely different sport, really, at a completely different stage of its development, with a hugely different level of engagement/support. And that's absolutely fine, it doesn't need to be the same, not for one moment.
If the game starts attracting huge crowds paying top dollar for league games, or huge sponsorship deals, or gets huge TV deals, then it's fair to ask for equal pay, but it's not there now.
I'd also argue that aiming to emulate where the men's game has got to might not be the best target anyway, but that's another discussion entirely! |  |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:23 - Jul 30 with 896 views | CaptainAhab |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:15 - Jul 30 by Vic |
Just curious really. I’ve not been to any womens game, let alone and England game, so I’m in no real position to judge, but I’m wondering if thier control and skill might be better than we give them credit for?
Where they’d come unstuck is their size and strength in the tackle. But would they be better than your average 16 Yr old cat 1 scholar? |
No probably not, didn't the Matilda's, when world champions, lose to an American U15 team a few years back or something like that.
But as others have pointed out it's a really silly comparison, and one many misogynist seems to make bizarrely regularly (to be clear I'm not accusing the OP of this) |  | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:27 - Jul 30 with 828 views | J2BLUE |
Who cares? We don't say what level would a world champion boxer at one of the lower weights be at if thrown into the heavyweight division do we?
Women compete against other women. The difference in investment has been huge. The first £1m male player in the UK was 46 years ago. The first female £1m player in UK football was 12 days ago. |  |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:33 - Jul 30 with 758 views | yesjohn99 |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:11 - Jul 30 by blueoutlook |
Sunday morning league somewhere in the middle of nowhere.Its a different sport lm afraid. [Post edited 30 Jul 19:12]
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Yep. Apples and oranges. | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:34 - Jul 30 with 743 views | bsw72 |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:23 - Jul 30 by CaptainAhab |
No probably not, didn't the Matilda's, when world champions, lose to an American U15 team a few years back or something like that.
But as others have pointed out it's a really silly comparison, and one many misogynist seems to make bizarrely regularly (to be clear I'm not accusing the OP of this) |
You’re getting confused.
Matilda’s beat an Australian Army men’s team in 1994 but have never been world champions.
The US women’s team often play against youth development teams and were beaten 5-2 by the FC Dallas U15, but it was a very informal game with the Women trying a number of different formations and styles.
This seems to have become more significant than it actually was and gets quoted all the time by those who know little about the women’s game to give a poor example of equivalent quality. | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:42 - Jul 30 with 616 views | portmanpensioner |
The Switzerland women's national team (ranked 23rd in the world) lost 7-1 in a friendly match against Luzern's U15
boys team | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:43 - Jul 30 with 612 views | Matt_Netherlands |
I asked chat gpt your question word for word…. I think it is pretty spot on.
“Where would they fit in the men’s pyramid?
• Top women’s national teams would probably be competitive against high-level U15/U16 academy boys, which is roughly equivalent in pace and athleticism to men’s amateur / semi-pro level.
In the English pyramid, that’s likely somewhere between Step 4–6:
• Step 4 = Northern Premier / Southern League Division One (semi-pro)
• Step 5–6 = Strong county leagues
They would likely struggle against professional men’s teams even at National League (5th tier) level, because the physicality and speed are much higher.” |  | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:55 - Jul 30 with 520 views | Vic |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:43 - Jul 30 by Matt_Netherlands |
I asked chat gpt your question word for word…. I think it is pretty spot on.
“Where would they fit in the men’s pyramid?
• Top women’s national teams would probably be competitive against high-level U15/U16 academy boys, which is roughly equivalent in pace and athleticism to men’s amateur / semi-pro level.
In the English pyramid, that’s likely somewhere between Step 4–6:
• Step 4 = Northern Premier / Southern League Division One (semi-pro)
• Step 5–6 = Strong county leagues
They would likely struggle against professional men’s teams even at National League (5th tier) level, because the physicality and speed are much higher.” |
Thanks. At least chatGPT didnt say its a silly question!
You see, I dont think its so silly because in my mind its one way to measure the development of the womens game. In this way - 10 years ago it was so bad that i genuinely think that an Ipswich and District Lg 3 team (the level I played at) would have beaten them. I very much doubt they would now! | |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:57 - Jul 30 with 488 views | cressi |
Not a chance a top Sunday league side would beat them . | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 20:09 - Jul 30 with 357 views | Vic |
yep. But my question was about the England team, who are much better than Switzerland.
But a concesus seems to be emerging that they are somewhere about Cat 1 Academy U17. | |
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 20:15 - Jul 30 with 305 views | CaptainAhab |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:34 - Jul 30 by bsw72 |
You’re getting confused.
Matilda’s beat an Australian Army men’s team in 1994 but have never been world champions.
The US women’s team often play against youth development teams and were beaten 5-2 by the FC Dallas U15, but it was a very informal game with the Women trying a number of different formations and styles.
This seems to have become more significant than it actually was and gets quoted all the time by those who know little about the women’s game to give a poor example of equivalent quality. |
Ah yes, that's the one, thank you. | | | |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 20:20 - Jul 30 with 267 views | StokieBlue |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 20:09 - Jul 30 by Vic |
yep. But my question was about the England team, who are much better than Switzerland.
But a concesus seems to be emerging that they are somewhere about Cat 1 Academy U17. |
I think you should be able to extrapolate pretty well from the article.
England are better than Switzerland but a boys academy team from not a particular good team are significantly better than Switzerland.
I don't think that's the consensus of this thread? In fact I can't see a post from a single person saying that unless I've missed it?
It would be more like an U15 academy, U17 are essentially men at that level and would be far too much. Cat 1 would be Arsenal U17 - they could beat quite a few upper non-league teams I would think.
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| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 20:39 - Jul 30 with 160 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Hypothetically - if the England womens team became a club on 19:22 - Jul 30 by Dubtractor |
I like the women's game, and am hugely in favour of the support and promotion it gets given, but it's a real bug bear of mine when people (not the op which is a genuine question) start saying stuff about equal pay etc.
It's a completely different sport, really, at a completely different stage of its development, with a hugely different level of engagement/support. And that's absolutely fine, it doesn't need to be the same, not for one moment.
If the game starts attracting huge crowds paying top dollar for league games, or huge sponsorship deals, or gets huge TV deals, then it's fair to ask for equal pay, but it's not there now.
I'd also argue that aiming to emulate where the men's game has got to might not be the best target anyway, but that's another discussion entirely! |
Considering we won the euros and only 65000 attended their parade I think its clear how different the sport is.
That's not belittling it. Its just a different level of sport with a different audience. |  |
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