| People considering voting Reform 10:32 - Sep 9 with 6619 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
When you hear these claims, even you must be thinking 'Oh come on, Nigel. You're doing well in the polls, don't blow it!'?!
The first, that they would stop the boats IN TWO WEEKS. Farage has already rowed back on that (pardon the pun) and changed it to "once the laws are passed". But even then, with the best will in the world, that's obviously impossible. It's straight out of the Trump playbook - the claim that he'd stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c237k55y90ko
Secondly, this batsh!t nonsense...
"A controversial doctor given top billing at the Reform party conference has used his main-stage speech to air a claim the Covid vaccine caused cancer in the royal family."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/06/doctor-aseem-malhotra-reform-co
Who on earth believes this stuff?
Or are you so desperate for a change in yours/the country's circumstances that you just ignore the bonkers stuff? This is a genuine question, not intended to take the piss out of Reform sympathisers, because I just can't understand how this party is so - apparently - popular, when they come out with stuff like this.
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:37 - Sep 9 with 3828 views | itfc_bucks |
Always ask a Reform voter when they think this country was best.
Then walk them through what life was actually like during that period and not their misty eyed romanticised version. |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:37 - Sep 9 with 3827 views | Juggsy |
I think most people would be content with something tangible being done by the government to address the problems. If it takes Farage to spur some action from them, then I’m all for it.
Just a shame the swivel-eyed Psycho Ed Milliband hasn’t been levered out of his role. He will bankrupt us. [Post edited 9 Sep 10:39]
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 9 with 3808 views | blueasfook |
Bonkers! I also seem to remember some other clown claiming he would "Smash the gangs" involved in people trafficking. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:41 - Sep 9 with 3761 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Bonkers! I also seem to remember some other clown claiming he would "Smash the gangs" involved in people trafficking. |
if he'd claimed that he'd smash the gangs in 2 weeks or 24 hours, then that would be relevant whatabouttery! | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:42 - Sep 9 with 3733 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:41 - Sep 9 by positivity |
if he'd claimed that he'd smash the gangs in 2 weeks or 24 hours, then that would be relevant whatabouttery! |
Well its been 18 months now, and I don't think he's smashed any yet. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:43 - Sep 9 with 3701 views | positivity |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:42 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Well its been 18 months now, and I don't think he's smashed any yet. |
if he claimed that he'd smash the gangs in 18 months, that'd be relevant whatabouttery! | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:55 - Sep 9 with 3558 views | JimmyJazz |
I think your last point is correct, i.e. ignoring the bonkers stuff
For stopping the boats, i would say a timeframe for doing this is seen as bravado, rather than there being any importance being on whether the timeframe is met.
For Covid - jeez are there still covid / vax deniers out there? Clear example of a bonkers claim to ignore |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 10:55 - Sep 9 with 3557 views | WeWereZombies |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:37 - Sep 9 by Juggsy |
I think most people would be content with something tangible being done by the government to address the problems. If it takes Farage to spur some action from them, then I’m all for it.
Just a shame the swivel-eyed Psycho Ed Milliband hasn’t been levered out of his role. He will bankrupt us. [Post edited 9 Sep 10:39]
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'Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, refers to several types of arguments where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion often using a totally irrelevant, but often highly charged attribute of the opponent's character or background.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:00 - Sep 9 with 3503 views | iamatractorboy |
The 'in two weeks' thing has been pinched from his good friend D Trump's playbook. | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:12 - Sep 9 with 3426 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:00 - Sep 9 by iamatractorboy |
The 'in two weeks' thing has been pinched from his good friend D Trump's playbook. |
Which in turn comes from Dominic Cummings' twin mantras: "If you're explaining, you're losing" and "Three word slogans".
Brexit means Brexit
Stop the Boats
In two weeks
See also:
Build the wall!
Four more years
etc etc
(Also used on the Left, historically:
Coal not Dole
Hope not Hate
Etc
It's very effective Programming of ideas into the public consciousness.) | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:17 - Sep 9 with 3390 views | LeoMuff |
Assuming any thinking is your first mistake there, probably the same people that voted Tory to sort immigration, ignoring that they pushed it to the highest levels of all time under their watch. The 80 year old Tory stalwart who spends a week in hospital and wonders why it malfunctions and there are no staff.. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:26 - Sep 9 with 3320 views | EuanTown |
Farage is our trump.
It is all about the sound bites. Take mini me Boris and Brexit. All the headlines and no truth or fact to any of the bull ocks he came out with.
A lot of countries and governments are going heavily right wing at the moment.
People want change but no one appears to be delivering. However if someone promises it, does it matter if they can.
Because once they are in the general public will pay the price for whatever happens anyway. So what changes. |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:29 - Sep 9 with 3292 views | Dubtractor |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Bonkers! I also seem to remember some other clown claiming he would "Smash the gangs" involved in people trafficking. |
I think it's sweet that you always pop up in these threads to argue the toss/defend Farage. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:32 - Sep 9 with 3265 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:39 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Bonkers! I also seem to remember some other clown claiming he would "Smash the gangs" involved in people trafficking. |
Whatabouterry.
Smashing the gangs, in principle, is a good idea. But the fact that these gangs are by their very nature hard to trace - and in foreign countries - makes it very difficult and time consuming. I've already said you're asking for the moon on a stick expecting it to be done already (you were actually asking why aren't they smashed yet a couple of months in).
But anyway, as I said, this is whatabouterry. If you're enamoured with Farage, which you seem to be, please explain how you square that with the views in the OP. Would you let someone with such views babysit your kids, never mind run your country?! | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:33 - Sep 9 with 3261 views | reusersfreekicks |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:29 - Sep 9 by Dubtractor |
I think it's sweet that you always pop up in these threads to argue the toss/defend Farage. |
Cos he does. True colours obvious now |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:34 - Sep 9 with 3240 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:42 - Sep 9 by blueasfook |
Well its been 18 months now, and I don't think he's smashed any yet. |
We've literally linked you to stories of gangs being smashed and you've just ignored them. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:34 - Sep 9 with 3236 views | reusersfreekicks |
Straight out of the Trump playbook.
Say something ridiculous then forget about it when elected eg stop the Russia Ukraine war in 24 hours | | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:35 - Sep 9 with 3231 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Saw this after my reply, but yes, Blueas has been linked to them before. Facts aren't popular when you have a narrative that doesn't suit them. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:37 - Sep 9 with 3198 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:55 - Sep 9 by JimmyJazz |
I think your last point is correct, i.e. ignoring the bonkers stuff
For stopping the boats, i would say a timeframe for doing this is seen as bravado, rather than there being any importance being on whether the timeframe is met.
For Covid - jeez are there still covid / vax deniers out there? Clear example of a bonkers claim to ignore |
If he'd just said he has a plan to stop them, then he might've got away with it. But saying he'd do it in 2 weeks... even his biggest supporters must be questioning that if they've got a brain in their nut? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:42 - Sep 9 with 3171 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:17 - Sep 9 by LeoMuff |
Assuming any thinking is your first mistake there, probably the same people that voted Tory to sort immigration, ignoring that they pushed it to the highest levels of all time under their watch. The 80 year old Tory stalwart who spends a week in hospital and wonders why it malfunctions and there are no staff.. |
Well yeah, I'm just surprised there are so many (apparently) who aren't bothering with thinking. We've already shot ourselves in the foot with the Farage-pushed Brexit, why aren't people learning from their mistakes? | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:44 - Sep 9 with 3141 views | Radlett_blue |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:37 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
If he'd just said he has a plan to stop them, then he might've got away with it. But saying he'd do it in 2 weeks... even his biggest supporters must be questioning that if they've got a brain in their nut? |
Farage won't be questioned now as he doesn't have to actually try to execute any of his ideas. Plenty of Reform supporters know that their sums don;t add up, but they still want to roll the dice as they are fed up with the main parties talking and doing nothing.
The small boats are nowhere near the biggest issue facing the UK, but they are a convenient lightning rod for highlighting the failure of both the Tories & Labour to do anything meaningful about a high profile issue. |  |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:46 - Sep 9 with 3131 views | HairBearBunch |
oh go on then - I'll trust that it really is a genuine question and not a leader for lets-bash-the-right.
Unlike you gentlemen, I don't follow politics closely, so I let other people scrutinise evidence etc. I just want something to happen to drag us out the malaise.
If Mr Farage is sounding like he might be the person to do that, then great, I'd be tempted.
I'd hoped Mr Polanski might be that person too, but there's enough financial woes around without him making it worse imo.
So I just want something to happen. Anything, really. Just some blinking action, something and someone different. |  | | |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 9 with 3055 views | blueasfook |
| People considering voting Reform on 11:34 - Sep 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We've literally linked you to stories of gangs being smashed and you've just ignored them. |
no, you posted about that one guy from Italy who was arrested back in 2023! And of the news items Ulla posted below - 2 of them relate to the same operation. | |
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| People considering voting Reform on 11:53 - Sep 9 with 3054 views | EdwardStone |
| People considering voting Reform on 10:37 - Sep 9 by Juggsy |
I think most people would be content with something tangible being done by the government to address the problems. If it takes Farage to spur some action from them, then I’m all for it.
Just a shame the swivel-eyed Psycho Ed Milliband hasn’t been levered out of his role. He will bankrupt us. [Post edited 9 Sep 10:39]
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And this is exactly the problem
Mr Juggsy, Farage will give eye-watering tax cuts to his millionaire buddies, dismantle the welfare safety nets, remove all the safeguards of employment, environment and banking regulations and plunder the country for the benefit of himself and his friends
Just like Trump has done in USA
We all will be poorer if Farage is allowed any power..... he has already cost our sweet nation billions of pounds with his insanity of Brexit, he will wreak untold further damage if he is allowed to.
I get that this current government are a huge disappointment, weak, timid and failing to give us any "feel good"
The previous governments have not been great either, but that is no reason to give support to Reform |  | | |
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