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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 21:23 19 Jun 2024
I think the point gets lost in the posting, as happens occasionally, I was simply trying to make the point that transition to new energy sources will take longer, much longer, than five or six years and the UK's role, put in perspective, is minimal and I put some explanation of why and what motivates some other nations. The UK should and is making efforts and plans, we just need to be aware that our contribution is only a very small part of any solution and we need more and much larger nations to at least enter any debate. I certainly was not suggesting we don't make efforts, we are and will continue to do, it's going to be a bumpy and costly ride. |
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 20:58 19 Jun 2024
Fossil fuels, energy in general and importantly the transition, so I try not to be 'ridiculous' as it would get very costly on many levels.
Anyway, thanks for that, always dangerous posting on forums regards such topics. Back to football etc |
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 20:49 19 Jun 2024
Well that's not very helpful, disagree, have a different view but please explain why something is ridiculous, I'm open to debate and different views particularly on a subject I'm involved in daily. Any help you can provide may help us solve some of the issues detailed. [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 20:50]
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 20:23 19 Jun 2024
You are correct regarding 'stuff' but who decides and controls production etc. It is no easy problem to solve.
The cost of oil and gas or coal is much cheaper than renewables and to put in perspective the size of the problem, apologies for those who are worried in advance, here is a snap shot - Nigeria is planning on increasing it's oil production to bring many of it's people out of poverty, inflation is something like 30-35% currently, a cup of coffee increases in price the following day! Their plans for net zero are a longway down the road and they do not have the money to invest in alternatives to oil and they have a lot of oil. India as stated is now about to increase it's coal capacity by huge margins as demand for electric alone is out running it's power plants and oil/gas imports can't keep up. China accounted for two-thirds of the global rise in operating coal power capacity in 2023 alone and Angola today announced plans to produce 1 million barrels of oil a day.
It's a global issue but the UK's role is minimal in reality and many parts of the world want to mirror the lifestyle of the West with cheap oil seen as the way to achieve it. Oil and gas demand is increasing globally and hence global net zero is, in reality, somewhat in the distance. |
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 19:09 19 Jun 2024
Indeed,it's not the oil companies that burn oil/gas it's us. I'm sure some of these protestors have no idea their phones, computers, medical supplies and a million everyday items require oil. Equally they will have no idea what could replace it to run a nation or even a household currently. |
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 18:59 19 Jun 2024
With respect, there are many plans and options to transition, the reality is you cannot do it by simply stopping oil as most people realise, or achieve net zero in a handful of years, simply impossible and no one can afford it either . Energy bills will not get cheaper for many years as transition costs are and will have to be added to household bills to contribute to infrastructure costs and wind farms are asking for higher unit prices as multi billion pound losses have recently been incurred by Siemens and Orstead.
Oil and gas provide huge benefits that cannot easily be overlooked or replaced. I would not be able to tell you what would replace petro chemicals next week or in the next 20 years.
India will add more new coal power capacity than it has in almost a decade this year, so the UK's contribution is lost in the global power struggles.
It will be interesting to see how the public will react to net zero as the cost and disruption become reality for many over the next few years. |
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Reply | Just Stop Oil spraying Stonehenge with orange paint
at 16:53 19 Jun 2024
"In a statement, Just Stop Oil said it was time for “megalithic action” and called for the next UK government to agree a plan to stop the extraction and burning of oil, gas and coal by 2030.
“Continuing to burn coal, oil and gas will result in the death of millions. We have to come together to defend humanity or we risk everything. That’s why Just Stop Oil is demanding that our next government sign up to a legally binding treaty to phase out fossil fuels by 2030.”
Oil and gas provide huge benefits to us all, particularly poorer nations and there is simply no substitute for many products made from petro chemicals that we all rely on/take for granted. If we stopped oil as they want It is hard to imagine the chaos that would ensue and the hardship.
It is not the oil companies that burn oil/gas it is us and those protestors would likely be the first to complain when the result of no oil/gas occurs.
Transition to new energy sources takes generations (take a look at history) and the current net zero drive requires huge amounts of fossil fuels to deliver any transition.
They have not thought it through or understand power generation, the cost, or the process needed to ensure a sensible planned approach. I would like to hear one of them explain the consequences of simply stopping oil. [Post edited 19 Jun 2024 16:55]
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Reply | A bit of social media Chinese whispers going on
at 21:23 12 Jun 2024
2025/26 season with full Premier league pricing in place, if we stay up, will likely throw up opportunities of seat changes for some. We have bargain season ticket prices this season. |
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Reply | More ticketing move balls ups
at 10:35 11 Jun 2024
A valid question and no doubt one the long standing ST holders who are being evicted are asking, however, I can only imagine huge complexities in identifying recent holders, lengthy discussions/abuse at moving recent ST holders whilst simultaneously attempting to slot the longer ST holders into a new location that they may or may not like. I would imagine the season would be underway before everyone would be re located.
The D block move, if the club was promoted was aired a few seasons ago and although hugely disappointing for the very long standing holders who have a great seat/bar etc. it was clear that the same view in the West stand was likely to be unavailable as 'a block' as they too are all long standing ST holders. I know from my own experience as a D block holder previously that the club suggested re locating years ago and I and a number of others secured tickets in the West when they appeared as it was clear success (or even Cup games on occasions) would create an impossible situation that had no satisfactory outcome. To be fair success looked a long way off at the time, however, here we are with a problem that is now affecting a few more than just D block. 600 in the Upper west is a large number too and with the 750 D block they will have to be squashed in amongst the South Stand holders changing their situation too (tighter) and for some having a' great view and match day experience' will now be restricted view, up in the gods and loss of previous match day friends/etc.
The club have, it appears, simply been practical, from a supporter view it appears callous and uncaring as told to me by a D block holder, more notification and awareness of the issue could have softened the blow, result the same but fans would have had time to digest and it's called 'customer service and valuing people on the way up' is how it was explained to me by a current D block holder.
It's a no win situation for club and supporter so this is the only real practical compromise but a huge change for many ST holders of 10,20, 30 years plus who have been steadfast supporters no matter what who will all feel they have lost a large part of 'their match day' with the moves. [Post edited 11 Jun 2024 10:47]
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Reply | Kieran
at 10:11 27 May 2024
Saw this posted yesterday and we do not know all the facts but this seemed a fair summary looking from the outside - 'The whole has been greater than the sum of the parts' at Ipswich and it is very early in his career to believe it can be replicated elsewhere so readily. Success has come early and Ipswich have been runners up twice, so maybe KM has a bit more to prove at Ipswich to himself and others before a major move. [Post edited 27 May 2024 10:14]
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Reply | Who wants to see that Sarmiento goal
at 13:24 18 May 2024
One of the best moments of the season and boy we've had some and the noise eruption was incredible.. [Post edited 18 May 2024 13:27]
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Thread | Bright balls at Birmingham....
at 19:05 2 Nov 2023
Leicester City’s Championship clash against Leeds United will be the first game of the season to use a new ‘high visibility’ winter ball, the EFL have confirmed.
The new ball will be used throughout the winter, with the policy reintroduced to the EFL for the first time since the 2018/19 season. Over the last few seasons, bright match balls have only been used during low visibility or in extreme weather conditions.
But in a change this season, all EFL games will use the Puma Orbita 1 Hi Vis Sky Bet match balls up until mid-February. City’s match against Leeds will be the first to use the new ball with all other EFL games following suit over the weekend. |
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Reply | Oil profits
at 15:40 1 Aug 2023
stop digging lol ...future running costs (money from previous profits) are required to run a business and keep it solvent, that allows for future investment on profits made, any borrowings have to also be serviced from income that is hopefully sufficient to meet costs and provide further profits, that are then available to invest on an ongoing basis.
All profits returned to share holders would see a balance of nil at start of year, relying on next income to service all expenses etc, that would also restrict investment.
So year end profit figure is what is left after all expenses, divis etc and that figure then rolls into the following year and so on, rolling profits are required to sustain, invest etc and not all returned to share holders, clearly...I'm not sure you understand my explanation so for the sake of ciivility I'll leave it there, you clearly have a different take on how business run their finances, divi and investment allocations. ..thanks for the debate :-) [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 15:57]
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Reply | Oil profits
at 14:06 1 Aug 2023
With respect, profits are for the prior year to that date, they are then divided into future investments, return a percentage to shareholders future running costs etc..therefore on going profits provide a base for future investment etc.....I presume you run a business too ..hard to imagine any company starting a new tax year with no funds, after returning all profits ! [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 14:13]
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Reply | Oil profits
at 12:49 1 Aug 2023
Interesting debate and divides opinion, particularly when many have only a basic understanding of how they think energy markets work and what they think or would like the alternative energy sources to be.
A popular myth is that 'green' energy is cheaper, rarely if ever dispelled or questioned by the media and is therefore a suitable and immediate replacement for home heating, car driving, etc. let alone all the everyday items we take for granted made from petro chems (phones, computers, tv.s, medical supplies etc).
Take a look at the last four weeks and the failure of the Norfolk wind farm to supply 1.5m homes as the cost made it unviable, two battery factories bankrupt as well, Siemens halting their wind turbine suppy as the tech has issues as was rushed out and put them at a global loss of £1 billion so far, I could go on. The green tech needs more time and much larger investment to get it right before any chance of 24/7 supplies to parts of our nation, some areas such as heavy vehicals are many years from a solution as is the joined up supply to our national grid.
The big question for many is what are you prepared to scarifice, how much will you pay or can afford to pay as the just stopping oil will cause severe hardship and in many areas create huge cost and vulnerability.
There is no simple answer and many politicians to date have not been honest with the public, what they say in private re green energy is totally different to public rhetoric as they know they cannot deliver net zero in current time scales....The simple option promoted by some is far from it and the complexity and unintended consequences of simply stopping oil would be felt by a large change in peoples everyday lifestyles quite quickly....the alarmists have many frightened, science always has done re climate since time began, through medieval times and now in 2023.Any climate related event is 'climate change' where many are simply not and the weather used to be measured in thousands and even millions if years. Recently it is the last 100 yrs approx since records began !
There is no reason not to transition to cleaner effective energy/fuels/materials, however, for those in the industries and for the general public realistic 'public' timescales from politicians are required unless we wish to see costs soar, blackouts occur ( wind needs gas to supply 24/7) . It's a complex mix, the oil companies don't suplly direct to the public, they have huge investments, running costs, made huge losses through covid with no support and there is a host of intermediaries between drilling oil and it running our cars, heating homes, making products etc.
What may surprise some is the fact that the larger investments in many renewable sources are from the oil and gas companies (they have the global reach and funds few other do) as they develop the tech, Shell , BP and many other lesser known oilies will be our wind , solar, hydrogen, efuel suppliers in the future and require their profits to develop and get it right, cut off their profits and we actually slow the green advance ironically.....apologies for the long post, it's a long subject. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 13:34]
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