| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:44 - Feb 17 with 1317 views | Pinewoodblue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:34 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
That people didn't know what they were voting for? Wrong. I have countered that argument ion here before. Do we need another ten pager on whether people knew we would leave the single market?
That the country will suffer economically outside of the EU? That is his opinion. He is entitled to it. I believe he is wrong. |
Tony Blai'r's argument is seriously flawed.
Six years ago we had a general election which resulted in a coalition government. You could say that all those millions who voted Lib Dem didn't get what they voted for, tuition fees etc. Didn't hear Tony Blair, or anyone else complain then.
Democracy is flawed, we can only vote on what is put before us, and many of us live in places where there is little prospect of an MP bring elected thst reflects our views.
The final vote on leaving the EU will be in Parliament and hopefully on a free vote for all MP's. Not sure about that other place which is as far away from being democratic as you can get but that is an issue for another day. |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:47 - Feb 17 with 1301 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:37 - Feb 17 by No9 |
Much of the stuff you have posted on here about the EU including your rubbish on VAT, demonstrates that you have no idea on any EU matters other than what has been stuffed into you by equally uneducated people with an unlterior motive. |
Yeah. We Brexiters are all thickos. |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:55 - Feb 17 with 1294 views | Ipswich_Crazy |
Just give up! We are leaving, just move on! Remainer are just sore losers ! |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:01 - Feb 17 with 1286 views | No9 |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 08:50 - Feb 17 by factual_blue |
So people no longer have the right to protest about things they think are wrong? |
No, despite the fact that not everyone voted to leave & the numbers show those who did were in the minority all of our livelihoods must be threatened by the right wing |  | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:03 - Feb 17 with 1279 views | feelingblue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 10:34 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
That people didn't know what they were voting for? Wrong. I have countered that argument ion here before. Do we need another ten pager on whether people knew we would leave the single market?
That the country will suffer economically outside of the EU? That is his opinion. He is entitled to it. I believe he is wrong. |
Whether you like it or not, it is clear that the message that the Tory party took from the referendum result was that free movement of labour (immigration) was the problem.
On that basis, if they will not allow free movement of labour, we will have to leave the single market.
Given those facts it is clear that most people did not understand the true consequences of voting out.
That was the problem with the simplistic question and the simplistic treatment of a complex issue by both sides.
Maybe that is why the very large YouGov poll conducted last week (yes it is only a poll) said that had the referendum been held last week, we would have voted in. |  | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:03 - Feb 17 with 1274 views | chicoazul |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 08:19 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
If Tony Blair told me that Ipswich played at Portman Road I'd double check to see if we still did.
The man is a habitual liar. [Post edited 17 Feb 2017 8:21]
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It's the same old same old "people didnt know what they were voting for" canard. Desperate times. |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:05 - Feb 17 with 1269 views | chicoazul |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 09:32 - Feb 17 by SomethingBlue |
Ok. Now what about his points on Brexit? |
It's a bit rich for a man who voted for a war on the basis of poor information to slate people for voting on the basis of poor information. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 with 1256 views | SomethingBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:05 - Feb 17 by chicoazul |
It's a bit rich for a man who voted for a war on the basis of poor information to slate people for voting on the basis of poor information. |
The identity of the messenger is unfortunate, which is a shame because — as we've seen here — the pressing issues he raises will be completely ignored in favour of point-scoring. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 with 1256 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:03 - Feb 17 by feelingblue |
Whether you like it or not, it is clear that the message that the Tory party took from the referendum result was that free movement of labour (immigration) was the problem.
On that basis, if they will not allow free movement of labour, we will have to leave the single market.
Given those facts it is clear that most people did not understand the true consequences of voting out.
That was the problem with the simplistic question and the simplistic treatment of a complex issue by both sides.
Maybe that is why the very large YouGov poll conducted last week (yes it is only a poll) said that had the referendum been held last week, we would have voted in. |
And another poll from ‘Hope not Hate’ shows 44 per cent of people would vote to leave and 41 per cent would vote to Remain.
Luckily we don't govern by opinion poll otherwise the PM would have to move out of Downing Street every time a poll gave the opposition the lead. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:08 - Feb 17 with 1253 views | No9 |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:05 - Feb 17 by chicoazul |
It's a bit rich for a man who voted for a war on the basis of poor information to slate people for voting on the basis of poor information. |
Although, maybe he is best place to understand just how devastating bad intelligence can be. | | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:10 - Feb 17 with 1243 views | feelingblue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And another poll from ‘Hope not Hate’ shows 44 per cent of people would vote to leave and 41 per cent would vote to Remain.
Luckily we don't govern by opinion poll otherwise the PM would have to move out of Downing Street every time a poll gave the opposition the lead. |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:14 - Feb 17 with 1227 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:10 - Feb 17 by feelingblue |
Swerve |
No. I addressed you point regarding the poll. Everything else I have answered about 54738393939393939393 times with you and our budgie friend. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:14 - Feb 17 with 1228 views | thatdamgood89 |
I really believed in this," says Tony Blair. Last time he believed in something, a million people died. |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:16 - Feb 17 with 1214 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:08 - Feb 17 by No9 |
Although, maybe he is best place to understand just how devastating bad intelligence can be. |
May 17 2000
During question time, the prime minister insisted he supported a statement by the then Northern Ireland secretary, Peter Mandelson, that business would continue to suffer while Britain remained outside the Euro.
Yeah he got that one spot on didn't he. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:17 - Feb 17 with 1213 views | No9 |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And another poll from ‘Hope not Hate’ shows 44 per cent of people would vote to leave and 41 per cent would vote to Remain.
Luckily we don't govern by opinion poll otherwise the PM would have to move out of Downing Street every time a poll gave the opposition the lead. |
Why don't you for once just deal with plain facts - the leave campaign was besed on total lies about everything & it is still too early for the remain campaign warnings to be evaluated.
There are still people on the streets who don't understand what leaving the EU means let alone leaving the single market or the customs Union.
& when you ask them how much this might cost the answer is - nothing, they don't realise that this government cutting back everythign from elderly care, public services, childrens mental health , persons, the NHS et al is simply to pay the enormous bill that the Brexiteers are generating
Why is it you won;t face these facts? | | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:23 - Feb 17 with 1205 views | feelingblue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:14 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
No. I addressed you point regarding the poll. Everything else I have answered about 54738393939393939393 times with you and our budgie friend. |
WTF
'budgie friend' is that supposed to be an insult, or is it supposed to devalue my opinion?
In all of your 54738393939393939393 'answers' you have never managed to come up with a remotely rational argument as to why leaving the single market has any benefit to the UK. (Other than as a price for stopping EU immigration, which even David Davies states has been beneficial to our economy). | | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:25 - Feb 17 with 1194 views | chicoazul |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 by SomethingBlue |
The identity of the messenger is unfortunate, which is a shame because — as we've seen here — the pressing issues he raises will be completely ignored in favour of point-scoring. |
He wants to persuade people to....what? Some people are protesting and making their voices heard, fair enough. He seems to want Brexit stopped. That ship sailed. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:25 - Feb 17 with 1190 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:23 - Feb 17 by feelingblue |
WTF
'budgie friend' is that supposed to be an insult, or is it supposed to devalue my opinion?
In all of your 54738393939393939393 'answers' you have never managed to come up with a remotely rational argument as to why leaving the single market has any benefit to the UK. (Other than as a price for stopping EU immigration, which even David Davies states has been beneficial to our economy). |
"you and our budgie friend" Ullaa is our budgie friend.
You need to take an hour or so to sit down and chill mate. You seeing things that aren't even there. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:26 - Feb 17 with 1188 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:25 - Feb 17 by chicoazul |
He wants to persuade people to....what? Some people are protesting and making their voices heard, fair enough. He seems to want Brexit stopped. That ship sailed. |
Unfortunately Blair has spent so long in the pay of murderous dictators around the world that he has forgotten what democracy looks like. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:27 - Feb 17 with 1182 views | No9 |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:16 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
May 17 2000
During question time, the prime minister insisted he supported a statement by the then Northern Ireland secretary, Peter Mandelson, that business would continue to suffer while Britain remained outside the Euro.
Yeah he got that one spot on didn't he. |
As I continue to point out, you do NOT understand anything about the EU.
Staying outside the Euro may have been politically smart but, from a business point of view it has done Britsh companies a lot of harm.
I would not expect you to understand that as you don't understand how the single market works nor the tendering process nor risk. | | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:30 - Feb 17 with 1174 views | hype313 |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:27 - Feb 17 by No9 |
As I continue to point out, you do NOT understand anything about the EU.
Staying outside the Euro may have been politically smart but, from a business point of view it has done Britsh companies a lot of harm.
I would not expect you to understand that as you don't understand how the single market works nor the tendering process nor risk. |
What's that got to do with your assertion that he is best place to understand just how devastating bad intelligence can be? |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:33 - Feb 17 with 1161 views | chicoazul |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:07 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
And another poll from ‘Hope not Hate’ shows 44 per cent of people would vote to leave and 41 per cent would vote to Remain.
Luckily we don't govern by opinion poll otherwise the PM would have to move out of Downing Street every time a poll gave the opposition the lead. |
The referendum was basically an opinion poll. didnt the Supreme Court say that it didn hold any legal water? But I take your point of course. | |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:34 - Feb 17 with 1159 views | feelingblue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:25 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
"you and our budgie friend" Ullaa is our budgie friend.
You need to take an hour or so to sit down and chill mate. You seeing things that aren't even there. |
Another swerve. | | | |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:34 - Feb 17 with 1153 views | giant_stow |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:26 - Feb 17 by GlasgowBlue |
Unfortunately Blair has spent so long in the pay of murderous dictators around the world that he has forgotten what democracy looks like. |
And again!
If the country decides to have another vote or change its mind, what would be undemocratic about that?
You guys are still using your own notions of 'democracy' as a tool to suppress debate. |  |
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| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:38 - Feb 17 with 1135 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I agree with Tony Blair.... on 11:34 - Feb 17 by giant_stow |
And again!
If the country decides to have another vote or change its mind, what would be undemocratic about that?
You guys are still using your own notions of 'democracy' as a tool to suppress debate. |
Only the government of the day decides whether there is a second referendum. Just as they proposed the first.
Elect one which proposes that and I'll abide by the democratic process and respect the result. | |
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