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Great piece on how we have got here
at 21:39 24 Jun 2016
Russell Howard - Head & Shoulders
at 21:07 24 Jun 2016

Listening to an interview where he was saying he was offered the H&S adverts before Joe Hart.

Fee for the adverts - £500k.

Unbelievable Jeff
The thing that may stop a recession...
at 15:14 24 Jun 2016 that recessions seem to be so media driven. They tell you that you can't afford to do anything so people stop buying and then it becomes a vicious circle which brings it on faster and faster and makes it unavoidable.

With the main papers backing Brexit there may not be as much will to do this, they will back their decision blindly and keep up the everything is ok still image and it may help in that respect.

Who is the next PM then?
at 08:28 24 Jun 2016

Osborne, Gove, Johnson?

Someone better informed please give me some info.
Cameron resigning
at 08:24 24 Jun 2016

F*cks sake.

New PM by October
Speculation that Cameron may resign on BBC
at 08:17 24 Jun 2016

That would be a bad move - hopefully not the case
I'm in absolute shock
at 05:23 24 Jun 2016

Westminster so far out of touch with the general public in England, they've had the f*ck stuck into them by the people.

Calling this referendum was a huge mistake.

How can immigration be so divisive - because that is all this is about.
Well that is one less vote....
at 12:40 23 Jun 2016

....just went down and voted and there was an old lady who had been walked down by a relative/friend/carer.

She wasn't on the list because had registered for a postal vote; was upset when she was told this and said she hadn't used that because she couldn't see what it said to write on it.

They said if she still had postal vote and was able to go and get it her vote would still be counted. She'd confirmed she'd ripped it up when she wasn't going to use it and decided to wait until today.

It was sad because she was a bit upset, but what on earth was she thinking?!
I'm now reluctantly voting remain...
at 12:53 21 Jun 2016

....I've always thought I'd vote out. I don't believe in the EU or like it as a body. I don't believe the scare stories about other countries not trading with us or putting high duties on it and genuinely think we can prosper on our own, and be better for it.

I'd like to see a Britain where we can control our own destiny and our own borders, immigration is a good thing but id rather see it opened up to the whole world on an equal footing, where we have some say in who and how many immigrants are brought in - to fulfil our needs. I think the total unrestricted movement of people in the EU as the entry position is flawed.

But, the more I look around me at the other Outers, the more I realise I don't want to be in that group. I don't like the smugness from Remain campaign, and find a lot of these people to be real tw*ts.....but the Exit campaign is becoming nastier as it becomes more desperate. I've got to a stage where I'd rather be surrounded by smug tw*ts than hateful c*nts.

There's plenty of people outside those generalised boxes both on here and in general - and I certainly wouldn't tar everyone with that brush by a long way. There are also some selfish reasons, I'm comfortable with how things are going and in a nice position, with a pregnant wife it's probably not best time to risk being in a recession with the industry I'm in so I will be voting to stay in.
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That was pretty lucky
at 16:08 16 Jun 2016

Dominate the ball all game and only manage to create 2 decent chances - only save I can remember Hennessy making was when he pushed Rooney's gentle shot wide.

Think Roy got a lot wrong today, as bad as Sterling was Alli was equally poor - and getting Wilshere or Barkley on looked obvious, Rashford did well but think we'd have been better served with the others done.

But we just play with so little tempo and pace, we just don't turn them round and knock them off their spot, it's just a case of letting them get back in position and then failing to break them down.

The result will paper over cracks - but as soon as we come up against a decent side we'll get easily beaten.
Why it is kicking off in France...
at 07:40 16 Jun 2016 view based on lots of following England throughout Europe (including France) and what I'm reading in social media.

100 England fans in a pub having a drink and a sing song, 2 or 3 or maybe one small group are idiots looking for trouble, nothing really going on. A small flashpoint happens, and rather than deal with the 2-3 trouble makers the French Old Bill shut the pub down.

This winds every one up, and to make matters worse they then gas the pubs to disperse everyone.

This gives the troublemkaers what they want, it infuriates some of the other fans who then want to protest against how they are treated, some of the fans want to find somewhere else for a beer, and some of the fans just slope of home.

This seems to be happening and numerous pubs across the city.........all it means is that:

The number of trouble makers/people wound up has hugely increased.
The percentage of trouble makers/people wound up has gone up even more so as those who have been tear gassed and don't like it have headed home.
The trouble makers/people wound up move on to another area to meet other groups of England fans - which are made up in a similar way.

So we are left with more of the sensible fans back at hotls, and a large group of all the trouble makers and all those who feel wronged by the police and their treatment in one place and it is a recipe for disaster.

Leaving more pubs open throughout the city, dealing with the small amount of trouble makers on an individual basis, and the trouble wouldn't even be worth noting in the media.
Brexit Vs Bremain - Facebook
at 20:28 14 Jun 2016

Just had the 2 below posts on timeline......they are both heavily biased obviously. But to me, as most likely an outer, the Bremain one seems very smug, whereas the Brexit one seems a bit more passionate........I feel the whole campaign has looked like that and the Bremain campaign is being run so badly in my view.

A good friend of mine came up with a great idea. If you don't have the time/inclination to find out all the facts about the EU referendum (I don't blame you) and are possibly unsure which way to vote, perhaps knowing how other notable people are thinking could help out.

Here are a few that strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• World Bank

Here are pretty much the only notable people who think we should leave the EU:

• Boris Johnson, who probably doesn’t really care either way, but knows he’ll become Prime Minister if the country votes to leave
• A former Secretary of State for Work and Pensions who carried out a brutal regime of cuts to benefits and essential support for the poorest in society as well as the disabled and sick
• That idiot that was Education Secretary and every single teacher in the country hated with a furious passion for the damage he was doing to the education system
• Leader of UKIP
• Britain First
• Donald Trump
• Keith Chegwin
• David Icke

So, as I said, if you can’t be bothered to look into the real facts and implications of all this in/out stuff, just pick the list that you most trust and vote that way. It really couldn’t be more simple.

And if you are unsure about leaving, don't.

Cadbury moved factory to Poland 2011 with EU grant.
Ford Transit moved to Turkey 2013 with EU grant.
Jaguar Land Rover has recently agreed to build a new plant in Slovakia with EU grant, owned by Tata, the same company who have trashed our steel works and emptied the workers pension funds.
Peugeot closed its Ryton (was Rootes Group) plant and moved production to Slovakia with EU grant.
British Army's new Ajax fighting vehicles to be built in SPAIN using SWEDISH steel at the request of the EU to support jobs in Spain with EU grant, rather than Wales.
Dyson gone to Malaysia, with an EU loan.
Crown Closures, Bournemouth (Was METAL BOX), gone to Poland with EU grant, once employed 1,200.
M&S manufacturing gone to far east with EU loan.
Hornby models gone. In fact all toys and models now gone from UK along with the patents all with with EU grants.
Gillette gone to eastern Europe with EU grant.
Texas Instruments Greenock gone to Germany with EU grant.
Indesit at Bodelwyddan Wales gone with EU grant.
Sekisui Alveo said production at its Merthyr Tydfil Industrial Park foam plant will relocate production to Roermond in the Netherlands, with EU funding.
Hoover Merthyr factory moved out of UK to Czech Republic and the Far East by Italian company Candy with EU backing.
ICI integration into Holland’s AkzoNobel with EU bank loan and within days of the merger, several factories in the UK, were closed, eliminating 3,500 jobs
Boots sold to Italians Stefano Pessina who have based their HQ in Switzerland to avoid tax to the tune of £80 million a year, using an EU loan for the purchase.
JDS Uniphase run by two Dutch men, bought up companies in the UK with £20 million in EU 'regeneration' grants, created a pollution nightmare and just closed it all down leaving 1,200 out of work and an environmental clean-up paid for by the UK tax-payer. They also raided the pension fund and drained it dry.
UK airports are owned by a Spanish company.
Scottish Power is owned by a Spanish company.
Most London buses are run by Spanish and German companies.
The Hinkley Point C nuclear power station to be built by French company EDF, part owned by the French government, using cheap Chinese steel that has catastrophically failed in other nuclear installations. Now EDF say the costs will be double or more and it will be very late even if it does come online.
Swindon was once our producer of rail locomotives and rolling stock. Not any more, it's Bombardier in Derby and due to their losses in the aviation market, that could see the end of the British railways manufacturing altogether even though Bombardier had EU grants to keep Derby going which they diverted to their loss-making aviation side in Canada.
39% of British invention patents have been passed to foreign companies, many of them in the EU
The Mini cars that Cameron stood in front of as an example of British engineering, are built by BMW mostly in Holland and Austria. His campaign bus was made in Germany even though we have Plaxton, Optare, Bluebird, Dennis etc., in the UK. The bicycle for the Greens was made in the far east, not by Raleigh UK but then they are probably going to move to the Netherlands too as they have said recently.

Anyone who thinks the EU is good for British industry or any other business simply hasn't paid attention to what has been systematically asset-stripped from the UK. Name me one major technology company still running in the UK, I used to contract out to many, then the work just dried up as they were sold off to companies from France, Germany, Holland, Belgium, etc., and now we don't even teach electronic technology for technicians any more, due to EU regulations.

I haven't detailed our non-existent fishing industry the EU paid to destroy, nor the farmers being paid NOT to produce food they could sell for more than they get paid to do nothing, don't even go there.
I haven't mentioned what it costs us to be asset-stripped like this, nor have I mentioned immigration, nor the risk to our security if control of our armed forces is passed to Brussels or Germany.

Find something that's gone the other way, I've looked and I just can't. If you think the EU is a good idea,
1/ You haven't read the party manifesto of The European Peoples' Party.
2/ You haven't had to deal with EU petty bureaucracy tearing your business down.
3/ You don't think it matters.
Employing U18s
at 09:16 14 Jun 2016

Anyone done this, is it particularly awkward?

An employees friends son wants to work for us through summer with view to an apprenticeship....happy to try him out but have heard getting them onto an apprenticeship is a pain in the backside as schools want them to stay in school.
Monty Patterson's New Zealand debut cost us money....
at 08:34 14 Jun 2016

Probably why we lost out on Feeney
Best place to eat in town on a Monday night?
at 20:06 13 Jun 2016

In town and most places seem to be shut....

In Thomas Wolsey - so Gandhi prob works.
And you can't even get a bottle lid into an English ground....
at 16:10 12 Jun 2016

...but a flare gun that can fire one approx 75m? That can get through increased and heightened security at UEFA....

New York......
at 14:37 8 Jun 2016

Am going there next week for a few nights (Friday-Tuesday) for Mrs itfcjoe's 30th - have been before and previously done most of the stuff we want to so it is just a more relaxing trip hopefully.

However, on her birthday - Monday night - I need to get something special sorted and wondered if anyone had any suggestions? Someone has recommended a dinner cruise (Something like this I presume which could be a winner but just wanted to see if anyone else had any ideas.

Plan to do the High Line during the day and possibly take something to sit and en route up there.

Note - she is 5 1/2 months pregnant so anything boozy is not going to work....


EDIT - I'm going to try and get a baseball game out there, will see how it goes down. We've done NBA and NFl previously so hopefully she is up for it for her birthday trip......there is a Copa America QF on the day we get there.....that may be pushing it!
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Clarke's value?
at 10:02 7 Jun 2016

This article talks about a deal of £750k-ish, and then says £500k plus Clarke.

I think Clarke - at 19, highly rated with a year left on his deal would be valued somewhere in the low 6 figure range. Not that it really matters I suppose but just would be interested to know.
Wolves away on opening day?
at 20:17 5 Jun 2016

Might be a load of rubbish, if so someone has gone to an awfully large amount of effort!

Phil - is this what the fixture list releases look like normally?!
Vardy in talks with Arsenal...
at 21:05 3 Jun 2016

....apparently they've met his release clause. Thought to be around £20m which seems cheap.
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