| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins 08:43 - Nov 30 with 13589 views | unstableblue |
Looks like May’s deal will fail in a few weeks to get through parliament. Too many MPs publicly stating opposition and Labour has no direction.
May will probably then go. And our finances and economy will be thrown into turmoil and further uncertainty and stalled investment.
Amusingly some of the whips are stating MPs will miss Christmas if they dismiss what May has on the table. And too bloody right. No MP or senior government person should have any time off currently we are in a shambles.
The voice for no deal, complete drop out, and ‘reverting’ to WTO rules grows louder, the siren call for Brexiteers who offer no workable solution. WTO rules is not a workable solution (see article link below), and indeed many leavers used to dismiss it as a non starter:
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/uk-cant-rely-wto-rules-soften-blo
It’s a cl@sterf@ck that completely damages our country. Whilst we should be out in the world selling our creativity and energy to new markets AS a part of the EU, an entry point into the EU. The balance of power is shifting to the East and France and Germany are
Out there selling large... undistracted by Brexit.
Another superpower who chose an isolationist agenda, the USA is similarly missing the boat...
India and China are flexing, selling hard into Africa, South America, and Asia... often centred on German kit (for how long?)... whilst US-A crippled by its own debt, failing infrastructure and huge social divide further harms itself with unworkable tariffs and a racist persona.
The Trump lies are coming home to roost - his agenda of anti immigration and tub thumping patriotism (sounds like our Leave campaign) was never any good for the American people, even his base. But it won’t be his sympathy for the hard right or his climate change denial, or his perpetual lying and demonising of the media that will be his downfall.
It’ll be his greed and his dodgy dealings with women and non-disclosure agreements. And to think many in the UK look on Trump as some exemplar.
And of course he was to be our Brexit saviour - which he has reneged on. An orange, serial liar, misogynistic seleflish man who counts Farage as his friend was never going to one to build a strategy on.
Ahem....
Don’t know where that all came from.. time for a lie down.
If only our team was doing well - we’d all be immune to external concerns!!
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:16 - Nov 30 with 3007 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:01 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
Thought that might grab your attention. |
The whole thread is just hilarious. Your comment stood out as being especially funny. You haven't answered my question because you can't actually provide an intelligent evidence-based answer.
I'll answer for you if you like, but please feel free to add to it if you can.
Which outside country interfered with the Brexit referendum: Russia.
Why did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia.
How did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia. |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:18 - Nov 30 with 3004 views | Withnail |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 15:04 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
Yep, I never wanted one. People on both sides couldn't be trusted to put aside their preconceptions, let alone realistically understand what the hell was even being offered. I include myself in that.
Cameron can burn in the same fiery hell as Thatcher and Blair when his time comes as far as I'm concerned. He's wrecked the futures of the next generation. [Post edited 30 Nov 2018 15:04]
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You never wanted one in the first place... But now you want another referendum, sorry, 'peoples vote'?
Loser talk. Get over it. |  | | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 15:51 - Nov 30 by chicoazul |
BTW I do not understand at all why Remainers arent whole-heartedly behind the May deal. |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:29 - Nov 30 with 2987 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:18 - Nov 30 by Withnail |
You never wanted one in the first place... But now you want another referendum, sorry, 'peoples vote'?
Loser talk. Get over it. |
Well following your logic, if we end up with a second referendum, seeing as you don't want one, I look forward to hearing about how you stayed at home and didn't vote.
You'll do that, right? |  |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:34 - Nov 30 with 2971 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:16 - Nov 30 by caught-in-limbo |
The whole thread is just hilarious. Your comment stood out as being especially funny. You haven't answered my question because you can't actually provide an intelligent evidence-based answer.
I'll answer for you if you like, but please feel free to add to it if you can.
Which outside country interfered with the Brexit referendum: Russia.
Why did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia.
How did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia. |
You of all people asking for evidence is hysterical. Thanks for that one, that gave me a good chuckle. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:35 - Nov 30 with 2970 views | Withnail |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:29 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
Well following your logic, if we end up with a second referendum, seeing as you don't want one, I look forward to hearing about how you stayed at home and didn't vote.
You'll do that, right? |
There isn't going to be another referendum. We already voted to leave.
We won. Get over it. | | | |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:37 - Nov 30 with 2962 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:35 - Nov 30 by Withnail |
There isn't going to be another referendum. We already voted to leave.
We won. Get over it. |
Ok bub, you may be right, you may be wrong. Time will tell. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:38 - Nov 30 with 2958 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:34 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
You of all people asking for evidence is hysterical. Thanks for that one, that gave me a good chuckle. |
Nothing then. Just as I said. | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 15:27 - Nov 30 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
'normalised lying';. hmmh, like Bill Clinton? Oh wait, he was a saint who did not inhale. The great thing about Trump is that 'his fanatical fanbase' as you put it are the blue collar working class of all ethnicities white, black, hispanic. He piss es off the left Hollywood media luvvies because of his abrupt nature and its great just like the US economy is now despite all the sniping from the MSM. Deplorable that someone would want to put their country first than bend over and be run by the likes of the EU. Wish we had a leader like that than career politicians like the Maybot and Comrad Corbyn who would stab their own grannies if it meant power, putting their pathetic parties ahead of what the majority of people voted for, changing their tune every 5 minutes. |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:46 - Nov 30 with 2928 views | Herbivore |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:35 - Nov 30 by Withnail |
There isn't going to be another referendum. We already voted to leave.
We won. Get over it. |
Nobody won. |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:47 - Nov 30 with 2930 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:18 - Nov 30 by Withnail |
You never wanted one in the first place... But now you want another referendum, sorry, 'peoples vote'?
Loser talk. Get over it. |
Didn't want one
Didn't like result
Wants another one
If he doesn't like result he will no doubt blame the wording of the question and demand another one |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:07 - Nov 30 with 2897 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:47 - Nov 30 by Pinewoodblue |
Didn't want one
Didn't like result
Wants another one
If he doesn't like result he will no doubt blame the wording of the question and demand another one |
Another poster who can't read. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:07 - Nov 30 with 2897 views | Bogblue |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 09:18 - Nov 30 by Weekender |
Good post
If May goes I am not sure what difference it would make. Conservatives wont call an election and regardless EU wont renegotiate.
There appears to be a cross party amendment on the way to try and rule out no deal. As you say 'reverting' to WTO is a misnomer. WTO is not a ready made system the UK can default to.
At the moment it appears we are heading for May's deal (via a second vote if first isn't to one sided), a back up Norway option, a second referendum (although surely would need to include no deal option with the risk that us plebs might choose that) or remain (but how could they do that without a second referendum?)
A cl@sterf@ck indeed! |
Its a cl@sterf@ck because hardly any of our politicians is able to look past their own narrow party lines and ambition to work together for the good of the nation. Bunch of tesspots | | | |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:29 - Nov 30 with 2880 views | giant_stow |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 16:16 - Nov 30 by caught-in-limbo |
The whole thread is just hilarious. Your comment stood out as being especially funny. You haven't answered my question because you can't actually provide an intelligent evidence-based answer.
I'll answer for you if you like, but please feel free to add to it if you can.
Which outside country interfered with the Brexit referendum: Russia.
Why did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia.
How did Russia interfere with Brexit: Russia. |
This is interesting and you might have missed it because its MSM:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/25/why-wont-nigel-farage-answer-my |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:35 - Nov 30 with 2871 views | giant_stow |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 15:53 - Nov 30 by lowhouseblue |
yes you do. it's because they still think they can overturn the referendum that they lost. |
Some of us remainers care about sovereignty believe it or not, and this deal dilutes that right the fck down. I certainly don't know why a leaver would support it (as some seem to), unless all they cared about was stopping europeans from coming here. | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:40 - Nov 30 with 2860 views | Ryorry |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:35 - Nov 30 by giant_stow |
Some of us remainers care about sovereignty believe it or not, and this deal dilutes that right the fck down. I certainly don't know why a leaver would support it (as some seem to), unless all they cared about was stopping europeans from coming here. |
Can you clarify how this deal dilutes our sovereignty please?
Must admit I cannot keep up with the all the complexities, twists & turns of everything going on Brexit-wise (or should that be Brexit-stupid?!). In fact, does anyone really understand it all?! |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:50 - Nov 30 with 2848 views | giant_stow |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:40 - Nov 30 by Ryorry |
Can you clarify how this deal dilutes our sovereignty please?
Must admit I cannot keep up with the all the complexities, twists & turns of everything going on Brexit-wise (or should that be Brexit-stupid?!). In fact, does anyone really understand it all?! |
Gulp - on the spot now!
The backstop bit means that we would have to take rules from the EU to stay in the customs union, without any say in creating those rules.
We wouldn't be able to leave the backstop without agreement from the EU - also a huge loss of sovereignty - we'd be stuck potentially for ever. Having said that, I don't understand what stops a future uk govt from just saying 'fck you'? Maybe comeback from the EU...don't know.
Lastly, that backstop threat will hang over negotiations on the trade discussions in the next 2 years. Macron has already more or less said that if there's no giving in on fisheries, then he will keep the UK in the backstop (i think each country would have a veto on this - again not sure). So in affect the 'negotiations' would be a series of controlled climb-downs by us giving them everything they ask for under threat of future vassalage (one word I believe the brexiters are sometimes right to use) | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:50 - Nov 30 with 2846 views | Seablu |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 15:27 - Nov 30 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
'normalised lying';. hmmh, like Bill Clinton? Oh wait, he was a saint who did not inhale. The great thing about Trump is that 'his fanatical fanbase' as you put it are the blue collar working class of all ethnicities white, black, hispanic. He piss es off the left Hollywood media luvvies because of his abrupt nature and its great just like the US economy is now despite all the sniping from the MSM. Deplorable that someone would want to put their country first than bend over and be run by the likes of the EU. Wish we had a leader like that than career politicians like the Maybot and Comrad Corbyn who would stab their own grannies if it meant power, putting their pathetic parties ahead of what the majority of people voted for, changing their tune every 5 minutes. |
Blimey, Jonno's a Trumpette.
Who'd have thought? |  | | |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:51 - Nov 30 with 2842 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:50 - Nov 30 by Seablu |
Blimey, Jonno's a Trumpette.
Who'd have thought? |
Not Jonno. He's never had a thought in his life. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:54 - Nov 30 with 2840 views | wkj |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:50 - Nov 30 by Seablu |
Blimey, Jonno's a Trumpette.
Who'd have thought? |
Next you'll be telling me J2 managed to make something awful out of eggs |  |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:55 - Nov 30 with 2839 views | wkj |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:51 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
Not Jonno. He's never had a thought in his life. |
Hello babe, you managed to rile up any shoe fanatical cabbies lately? | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:57 - Nov 30 with 2837 views | SpruceMoose |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:55 - Nov 30 by wkj |
Hello babe, you managed to rile up any shoe fanatical cabbies lately? |
I've got more gammon on the hook than an abattoir, mate. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:59 - Nov 30 with 2835 views | wkj |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:57 - Nov 30 by SpruceMoose |
I've got more gammon on the hook than an abattoir, mate. |
I didn't realise 3 old Swedish pop groups loved pork that much | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 18:11 - Nov 30 with 2818 views | Ryorry |
| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 17:50 - Nov 30 by giant_stow |
Gulp - on the spot now!
The backstop bit means that we would have to take rules from the EU to stay in the customs union, without any say in creating those rules.
We wouldn't be able to leave the backstop without agreement from the EU - also a huge loss of sovereignty - we'd be stuck potentially for ever. Having said that, I don't understand what stops a future uk govt from just saying 'fck you'? Maybe comeback from the EU...don't know.
Lastly, that backstop threat will hang over negotiations on the trade discussions in the next 2 years. Macron has already more or less said that if there's no giving in on fisheries, then he will keep the UK in the backstop (i think each country would have a veto on this - again not sure). So in affect the 'negotiations' would be a series of controlled climb-downs by us giving them everything they ask for under threat of future vassalage (one word I believe the brexiters are sometimes right to use) |
Think I've got that, thanks.
I do now remember seeing something by a respected journo (can't recall who) along the lines that we'd literally never be able to leave under one particular deal - would be legally locked in forever, which rather horrified me! | |
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| Brexit cl@sterf@ck thoughts #13,432; Trump downfall begins on 18:11 - Nov 30 with 2815 views | chicoazul |
Would such a thing be fair though? As in literally within the boundaries of old fashioned English fair play. We had a referendum we had a result and this deal delivers on that result. |  |
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