| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 09:08 - Jan 5 with 1799 views | Steve_M |
Just in case anyone is still labouring under the idea that this only affects the elderly.
And yet, Today, still had Gupta to spout rubbish on this morning.
Edit: there was supposed to be a tweet embedded in there but it doesn't show up:
https ://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1346380956719054849?s=20
Delete the space if you want to see the graph. [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 9:24]
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:11 - Jan 5 with 1764 views | Guthrum |
A feature of the new strains is that they appear to affect a younger cohort of people than the earlier ones did. |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:15 - Jan 5 with 1741 views | Vic |
I understand that half of West Suffolk Hospital in BSE is now COVID positive! |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:19 - Jan 5 with 1731 views | StokieBlue |
The B117 variant seems to create a higher viral load which allows it to both spread more easily and be a threat to age ranges outside the previous scope. People really need to get on board on how serious this could be but I fear many people won't adjust their views along with the new science.
I was listening to a US-based podcast last night which said that actually there might be a number of variants which are similar to B117 in other countries which go unnoticed and that because the UK has such a good genetics testing infrastructure we picked it up quickly.
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:38 - Jan 5 with 1659 views | Guthrum |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:41 - Jan 5 with 1643 views | homer_123 |
I suspect this change is being driven two fold:
1. The new variant is more transmissible
2. Younger people are not changing their behavior
The later is exacerbating the situation. So, as expected, we saw over the festive period a lot of gatherings and get togethers but also, the general population was a lot more relaxed about social distancing etc. So, that coupled with the new variant is a potently bad mix. [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 9:46]
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:44 - Jan 5 with 1606 views | NthQldITFC |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:15 - Jan 5 by Vic |
I understand that half of West Suffolk Hospital in BSE is now COVID positive! |
That's a nasty conjunction of diseases. Mad Covid Disease. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:51 - Jan 5 with 1565 views | catch74 |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:41 - Jan 5 by homer_123 |
I suspect this change is being driven two fold:
1. The new variant is more transmissible
2. Younger people are not changing their behavior
The later is exacerbating the situation. So, as expected, we saw over the festive period a lot of gatherings and get togethers but also, the general population was a lot more relaxed about social distancing etc. So, that coupled with the new variant is a potently bad mix. [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 9:46]
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Surely pushes back the re-opening of the country, looks like just getting top 4 groups vaccinated will not be sufficient. |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 10:07 - Jan 5 with 1517 views | swede |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:15 - Jan 5 by Vic |
I understand that half of West Suffolk Hospital in BSE is now COVID positive! |
From Mrs Swede yesterday -
In Ipswich hospital, operating theatres are being converted into emergency covid intensive care units. |  | | |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 10:30 - Jan 5 with 1444 views | Bangor31 |
One should also remember that the age group of 16-64 is roughly 57% of the population and the previous strains caused the following deaths (18th December)
Under 45 - 805
Under 65 - 8,387
45-65 circa 7,500
So when we look at these numbers the 45 - 65 cohort are still very venerable yet the previous rhetoric has been this is only a dangerous disease for the 65+ demographic.
On top of that you have 40ish and younger (me included), possibly the most entitled persons the UK have ever produced, who feel its their right to do as they please. So you have over 1/3 of the country happily running around the country with the high chance of spreading the new strain.
I can't find any decent Hospitalisation stats so if anyone has a link that would be ace
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 10:31 - Jan 5 with 1443 views | BlueBadger |
It's certainly a much younger younger ITU at [redacted] this time round, mean age this time is probably around mid-50's as opposed to mid to late 60's, first wave. |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 10:54 - Jan 5 with 1384 views | itfc_bucks |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:41 - Jan 5 by homer_123 |
I suspect this change is being driven two fold:
1. The new variant is more transmissible
2. Younger people are not changing their behavior
The later is exacerbating the situation. So, as expected, we saw over the festive period a lot of gatherings and get togethers but also, the general population was a lot more relaxed about social distancing etc. So, that coupled with the new variant is a potently bad mix. [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 9:46]
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The evidence doesn't bear out your hypothesis - Young people were as likely to change their behaviour. It's just that that doesn't sit well with selling newspapers...
I'll see if I can dig up the study.
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/30/young-people-as-diligent-about-cov [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 10:56]
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 11:42 - Jan 5 with 1322 views | homer_123 |
'The later is exacerbating the situation. So, as expected, we saw over the festive period a lot of gatherings and get togethers but also, the general population was a lot more relaxed about social distancing etc. So, that coupled with the new variant is a potently bad mix.'
That poll you've linked to is 3 months old now - and as I clearly posted, the wider general populous has become must more relaxed about social distancing etc.
There is clear evidence that the younger generation also being somewhat more lax - plenty of reports and evidence of New Years and Festive parties and get togethers (Essex and beyond) that show this. Clearly this is not all young people. | |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 12:15 - Jan 5 with 1251 views | Churchman |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 09:38 - Jan 5 by Guthrum |
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That’s one very scary graph. Another factor in this is the long term health implications for not necessarily elderly people. For some (hopefully a minority), it’s a real life wrecker, even if they survive it.
To be honest, all those years ago when I was 18-25 I wouldn’t have worried about something that only affects sad old coffin dodgers of 40+. I was immortal. Ahhh, the ignorance.
I really hope all people are getting the message now but I have my doubts. |  | | |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 12:22 - Jan 5 with 1234 views | Steve_M |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 12:15 - Jan 5 by Churchman |
That’s one very scary graph. Another factor in this is the long term health implications for not necessarily elderly people. For some (hopefully a minority), it’s a real life wrecker, even if they survive it.
To be honest, all those years ago when I was 18-25 I wouldn’t have worried about something that only affects sad old coffin dodgers of 40+. I was immortal. Ahhh, the ignorance.
I really hope all people are getting the message now but I have my doubts. |
Yes, long covid is really worrying without an understanding of how it affects some people as badly as it does. | |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 12:29 - Jan 5 with 1192 views | tractordownsouth |
It's genuinely despicable that TalkRadio cranks are being paid money to downplay the virus on national radio when thousands of people are in hospital.
Guido Fawkes have been at it again, accusing GMB of bias because they had a Labour-supporting nurse on there describing the pressure on hospitals. They're essentially claiming that NHS staff are lying just because they don't vote Tory. by claiming they want "balance" between truth and lies. A completely scummy publication. |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 13:56 - Jan 5 with 1088 views | itfc_bucks |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 11:42 - Jan 5 by homer_123 |
'The later is exacerbating the situation. So, as expected, we saw over the festive period a lot of gatherings and get togethers but also, the general population was a lot more relaxed about social distancing etc. So, that coupled with the new variant is a potently bad mix.'
That poll you've linked to is 3 months old now - and as I clearly posted, the wider general populous has become must more relaxed about social distancing etc.
There is clear evidence that the younger generation also being somewhat more lax - plenty of reports and evidence of New Years and Festive parties and get togethers (Essex and beyond) that show this. Clearly this is not all young people. |
No, there's anecdotal evidence.
I went running through our local NT grounds last weekend and you couldn't move for middle-aged folks in groups.
Now, either this was the largest polygamous family in Britain, or a whole hoarde of 40-50 somethings all decided to go for a walk and luckily bumped into their friends.
Anecdotal evidence cuts both ways.
I say this as someone in the mid-30s and thus fits in neither group, with no axe to grind. | | | |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 13:59 - Jan 5 with 1069 views | jeera |
My sister was on the phone earlier and apparently a colleague of her husband's died last week from complications after contracting Covid.
No other known health conditions and he was only 46. [Post edited 5 Jan 2021 14:34]
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 15:26 - Jan 5 with 1001 views | Steve_M |
Some more detail here:
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 15:34 - Jan 5 with 968 views | TractorWood |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 10:30 - Jan 5 by Bangor31 |
One should also remember that the age group of 16-64 is roughly 57% of the population and the previous strains caused the following deaths (18th December)
Under 45 - 805
Under 65 - 8,387
45-65 circa 7,500
So when we look at these numbers the 45 - 65 cohort are still very venerable yet the previous rhetoric has been this is only a dangerous disease for the 65+ demographic.
On top of that you have 40ish and younger (me included), possibly the most entitled persons the UK have ever produced, who feel its their right to do as they please. So you have over 1/3 of the country happily running around the country with the high chance of spreading the new strain.
I can't find any decent Hospitalisation stats so if anyone has a link that would be ace
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Thanks useful context. 16-64 is pretty meaningless as you say until broken down a bit further. |  |
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| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 15:36 - Jan 5 with 960 views | DanTheMan |
| Half of London hospital admissions now 16-64 on 15:26 - Jan 5 by Steve_M |
Some more detail here:
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Well... bóllocks. |  |
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