| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen 21:53 - Oct 21 with 3635 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Absolutely f**king disgusting. A few points:
- Schoolboy defending repeatedly letting it bounce off a long ball and then backing off and letting their players run and run and run and run and run. Put a f**king tackle in you spineless c**ts.
- We paid 12m for McAteer didn’t we? He’s awful. Doesn’t move whatsoever. Who the f**k signed that deal off? Sack him immediately.
- We got rid of Burgess to have the likes of Greaves in the team. Ridiculous downgrade.
- Cajuste being on the losing team is criminal. Was the only one showing any fight other than perhaps Clarke and Azon (before he was hauled off).
- Azon is way better at everything that George Hirst.
- That was the worst half of defending from a professional team I’ve ever seen. O’Shea is nowhere near as good as he ought to be for the captain and effectively unstoppable position he’s in. |  |
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:10 - Oct 22 with 779 views | MattinLondon |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:02 - Oct 22 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think the key part here is that they were all championship/league 1 players before we signed them.
But together, with McKennas coaching and style of play, they all were top championship players. |
And that sums it all up - KM coaching ability is getting the very best out of good Championship players and then adding much more to their game. But now, a number of them seem to have peaked before we paid a premium for them.
A couple of seasons ago, when we scored that third goal against Southampton, all of the team went mental in front of the NS. If that were to happen this season, it would just be a few players high-fiving each other. Team spirit has taken a back seat. |  | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:13 - Oct 22 with 773 views | SamWhiteUK |
I simply do not know what O'Shea is doing for that first goal. As any centre half, let alone captain of the side and an international, you simply can't back off enough to let someone run from the halfway line to within the penalty area.
It's been billed as a solo goal - it very much wasn't. Dara did everything he could to help the guy. |  | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:15 - Oct 22 with 755 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Cajuste could score of hattrick of own goals and still come out with credit from some of our fans.
Off the ball he is an absolute liability. Strolling back, playing at whatever pace he wanted to play at. His final ball is below par and he cannot kick a ball hard at the goal. |  |
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:16 - Oct 22 with 685 views | darkhorse28 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 22:06 - Oct 21 by LeoMuff |
That the key for me Morsy and Mass we firstly very hard to beat, did all the tracking and linked up play well.
We only have 1 player in the squad can do that, Morsy back please and pair him with Matusiwa |
He’s 35.
We had years, to plan for their leaving - they were always the age they were…, and promotion isn’t an excuse either.
Whatever level we were at, we needed contingency, we had none.., literally no plan at all.
Let’s be honest.., Ashton and McKenna 100% thought we’d stay up and Phillips and Jens would be the answer if or when we did!!
You don’t leave the owners to pay McKenna champions league money, without selling them that relegation is unlikely - they swallowed the media bubble and their egos wrote cheques they can’t cash.
It’s cost the owners £200 million to see what was obvious for a very long time.., that’s on them.., ZERO oversight of footballing decisions.., so woeful planning and execution.
We still only have ONE CDM - 4 right backs, what’s it NINE inside forwards
Only two people responsible for that .., sadly we have them 100% control with no checks or agency.
This won’t be an easy journey now.., think the owners might be close to selling, so hope springs eternal.
The spider senses say this has Textor written all over it .., and I actually think that would be better than this.., he’ll tolerate Ashtons bull for an about 5 seconds. |  | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:40 - Oct 22 with 665 views | pete81 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:02 - Oct 22 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think the key part here is that they were all championship/league 1 players before we signed them.
But together, with McKennas coaching and style of play, they all were top championship players. |
Exactly this...top championship players. Our owners want premier league players which sadly they were not. We rolled the dice with a different 11 and looks like we missed. Don't think we will have the "our boys" thing again it will be more and more churn until we fund the right formula.
Sadly mate the old girlfriend was a 9 out of 10,got up and left you and the new one for some positives is a 5 out of 10 and it ain't the same.... |  | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:46 - Oct 22 with 661 views | Sarge |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 22:32 - Oct 21 by JammyDodgerrr |
I just don't agree.
Burgess is at Swansea - below us in the table.
Chaplin is at Portsmouth - below us in the table and he has zero goal contributions so far.
Broadhead struggling to get more than 20 minutes at Wrexham.
Morsy went to a joke league for a payday and got his contract terminated a few games in.
They gave us the best few seasons in recent memory and we should remember them for that, but they're not pulling up trees elsewhere. I love Chaplin in particular, but even in the back end of our last championship season he'd gone right off the boil. |
Because you’re looking at them as individuals. Our team was never about individuals, it was about players who when together were far more than the sum of their parts and who knew each other so well that they could create and execute the same patterns to great success over and over again.
We now have a team that relies entirely on individual brilliance with very few team goals and almost no repeatable patterns (Burgess out to Davis, Davis into Chaplin, Burns into Hirst/Moore). We decided that spending a fortune replacing a team with individuals was the way to go. Last season showed that it wasn’t and so we doubled down on it and continued the trend this summer.
There’s no way the 22/23 or 23/24 teams would have collapsed like last night or showed absolutely nothing to suggest we were ever going to get back in the game. | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:48 - Oct 22 with 654 views | Bluemike31 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 21:55 - Oct 21 by ITFC_84 |
Agree with all apart from Cajuste.
We can not keep seeing a professional footballer unable to cope after 50 mins. He disappears every single game in the 2nd half. |
This !!! Cajuste is part of the problem. | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:49 - Oct 22 with 636 views | Bluemike31 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 22:05 - Oct 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
I left on 87 mins for the 4th time ever so I definitely will not be rewatching. Awful viewing. I’d have booed and/or called them all spineless c**ts had I stayed. Best I left.
What annoys me most is our combined 25m defenders. If an under 14s team had a big striker winning the first ball repeatedly and then constantly getting across and running at the CBs, you’d tell the kids not to back off. You’d put a tackle in as a regular person playing park football. But yet our charlatans (O’Shea and Greaves) pretending to be defenders would rather just back off and off and off and off and off until the inevitable Charlton shot. Then again 2 minutes later. Then again. And again. And again. And again.
Put a f**king foot in and show some fight.
I’m so angry |
And to think we dropped Kipre for One error !!! Diabolical management. | | | |
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:53 - Oct 22 with 609 views | BseaBlue |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:48 - Oct 22 by Bluemike31 |
This !!! Cajuste is part of the problem. |
Have to agree. He normally looks class for the first 15/20 minutes and then completely fades off. Makes you wonder whether he has it in him to meet the demands of English football. |  | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:53 - Oct 22 with 613 views | bluesym |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 10:15 - Oct 22 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Cajuste could score of hattrick of own goals and still come out with credit from some of our fans.
Off the ball he is an absolute liability. Strolling back, playing at whatever pace he wanted to play at. His final ball is below par and he cannot kick a ball hard at the goal. |
Spot on. |  |
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:56 - Oct 22 with 597 views | noggin |
Hold on Rommy, how long have you been a supporter? Not just any fan can be so critical, you know?
Sorry, just a little light trolling of another poster. I like it when you get the hump and speak your mid. You have every right to, too. It was abysmal. [Post edited 22 Oct 11:57]
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:02 - Oct 22 with 568 views | mellowblue |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:48 - Oct 22 by Bluemike31 |
This !!! Cajuste is part of the problem. |
2 assists and a goal in 42 games doesn't really cut the mustard. Would not matter so much if his defensive and link play was any good, but it isn't. Has a turn and move to die for though. He is not the standard, combative, hard working midfielder that is Championship norm. | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:05 - Oct 22 with 560 views | pete81 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 11:46 - Oct 22 by Sarge |
Because you’re looking at them as individuals. Our team was never about individuals, it was about players who when together were far more than the sum of their parts and who knew each other so well that they could create and execute the same patterns to great success over and over again.
We now have a team that relies entirely on individual brilliance with very few team goals and almost no repeatable patterns (Burgess out to Davis, Davis into Chaplin, Burns into Hirst/Moore). We decided that spending a fortune replacing a team with individuals was the way to go. Last season showed that it wasn’t and so we doubled down on it and continued the trend this summer.
There’s no way the 22/23 or 23/24 teams would have collapsed like last night or showed absolutely nothing to suggest we were ever going to get back in the game. |
It may well not happen with this lot but jesus wept we are 10 games in....a number of occasions 22/23 season this place went well over the top and it ended up alright...Charlton 4.4 letting 2 goal lead slip in injury time, Oxford in the fog, Bristol Rovers valentine's day we had blown it and some questioned Mckenna.... | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:52 - Oct 22 with 498 views | Bluemike31 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:05 - Oct 22 by pete81 |
It may well not happen with this lot but jesus wept we are 10 games in....a number of occasions 22/23 season this place went well over the top and it ended up alright...Charlton 4.4 letting 2 goal lead slip in injury time, Oxford in the fog, Bristol Rovers valentine's day we had blown it and some questioned Mckenna.... |
I think Four wins in Forty Eight tops all of those. | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 13:12 - Oct 22 with 465 views | pete81 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:52 - Oct 22 by Bluemike31 |
I think Four wins in Forty Eight tops all of those. |
Lost me? | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 13:16 - Oct 22 with 454 views | Sarge |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:05 - Oct 22 by pete81 |
It may well not happen with this lot but jesus wept we are 10 games in....a number of occasions 22/23 season this place went well over the top and it ended up alright...Charlton 4.4 letting 2 goal lead slip in injury time, Oxford in the fog, Bristol Rovers valentine's day we had blown it and some questioned Mckenna.... |
I think this is somewhat a misrepresentation because for the vast majority of this squad we’re not 10 games in. Of the usual starters Matusiwa, Young/Furlong and Egeli are 10 games in, the vast majority were together last season and have shown no signs of becoming any kind of coherent team in the 1.25 seasons they’ve been together. | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 13:30 - Oct 22 with 424 views | pete81 |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 13:16 - Oct 22 by Sarge |
I think this is somewhat a misrepresentation because for the vast majority of this squad we’re not 10 games in. Of the usual starters Matusiwa, Young/Furlong and Egeli are 10 games in, the vast majority were together last season and have shown no signs of becoming any kind of coherent team in the 1.25 seasons they’ve been together. |
Left hand side has had the extra half/quater a season and is looking stronger...midfield / right hand side partnership is 10 games in.
Centre back partnership granted is the biggest concern ... | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 19:14 - Oct 22 with 291 views | hanoverblue |
Seen a few in the Paul Jewell and mick McCarthy days | | | |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 20:29 - Oct 22 with 229 views | Bigalhunter |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 12:02 - Oct 22 by mellowblue |
2 assists and a goal in 42 games doesn't really cut the mustard. Would not matter so much if his defensive and link play was any good, but it isn't. Has a turn and move to die for though. He is not the standard, combative, hard working midfielder that is Championship norm. |
He was never going to be the so-called ‘cheat code’ (hate that term) that many on here were claiming over the summer.
He’s a thirty minute lightweight luxury if it’s all going well, but utterly unable to last 90 minutes.
There’s a reason no one else really wanted him.
Totally unsuited to the English game, he actually looks more of a liability against the EFL lumps we were assured he’d embarrass week in week out. |  |
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| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 20:43 - Oct 22 with 211 views | bournemouthblue |
| Defensively.. that was the worst half I’ve ever seen on 22:14 - Oct 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
The lack of any professional pride from the two CBs to let them be run at repeatedly astounds me. To just repeatedly let them run at you and at no point think ‘I’ll just make a tackle’ was a disgrace. No defender in memory at our club would’ve done that bar the two today. What’s the point in jockeying next to them and then backing off for 40 yards while the Charlton blokes run with it until they can shoot. Embarrassing. |
Having centre backs who stand off attackers is not a new thing by any means, we hve had many a shambolic defence over the years |  |
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