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Pompey in for Colby Bishop and obviously have Piggott, so assume they’ve given up on Hirst. Also heard we’ve offered £1.5m for him, so serious intent. Sounded like we weren’t going to let the Pig go unless we had a replacement lined up, so hopefully goes through shortly. 40 degree Monday signing anyone?
Pigott does not fit KM system, so the timing of his departure is not related to us having a replacement.We also have Lapado, JJ and Jackson, so hardly light upfront.
It was reported that Town would only sanction Piggot deal once Harness was secured, so if anything the timing relates to us securing Harness, who can play behind a central striker, rather than Hirst.
Piggott is their only striker currently so think they'd want 2 more. Having said that, can't see that they'd be able to compete with what we'd be able to offer
The tease being his dad slotting past Clive Baker in 1993.
I was at that game . He was a pain in our side all bloody night . Such a good striker, but he apparently had his demons . Whether that was during his playing career or after I’m not sure. Would like to get his son here though .
Pigott does not fit KM system, so the timing of his departure is not related to us having a replacement.We also have Lapado, JJ and Jackson, so hardly light upfront.
It was reported that Town would only sanction Piggot deal once Harness was secured, so if anything the timing relates to us securing Harness, who can play behind a central striker, rather than Hirst.
Hirst would be the icing on the cake.
Think that was probably the case re Pigott deal, hence the unexpected delay. Think he went up there on Wednesday to get things sorted.
Isn’t Hirst a bit like Pigott in the goal scoring stakes? He’s had one good season - actually worse than Pigott who had least had a couple behind him. Not saying he won’t be great for us, but he’s a gamble and at 1.5m a hefty one at this level.
Isn’t Hirst a bit like Pigott in the goal scoring stakes? He’s had one good season - actually worse than Pigott who had least had a couple behind him. Not saying he won’t be great for us, but he’s a gamble and at 1.5m a hefty one at this level.
Hirst is 23 and played England youth at every level though so has that pedigree and ceiling to go to - Pigott is 27/28 and had one very good season in 3rd tier - with Hirst you are buying the potential as well as the current ability and with hope that he can score goals in Championship as well and be worth a significant amount of money
Isn’t Hirst a bit like Pigott in the goal scoring stakes? He’s had one good season - actually worse than Pigott who had least had a couple behind him. Not saying he won’t be great for us, but he’s a gamble and at 1.5m a hefty one at this level.
Don't be misled when looking at them. Both have a very similar build, but are two completely different players. Watching Pigott the last few seasons, you can tell he wants to be a link man (Woodrow-esque), get touches on the ball and pass it on. However, he is better at doing that when he is on the opposition penalty box rather than 10 yards from the halfway line. If we played 4-2-3-1 all season, then Pigott would have been better. Sitting up top occupying the defence, and letting everyone else play. Good finisher, but doesn't have the pace to beat anyone 1 vs 1.
Hirst, built very similarly to Pigott, wants to be on the ball but facing the opposition defenders. Lot of times last season he dropped deep to receive the ball, found time, spun and started running at the defence. He is very similar to Ladapo in that they want to hold the ball, but also want to be getting in behind.
It is a gamble, I'll give you that. Guess the point of view from the higher-ups is that, because of his age, you get him permamently for say £1.5million, and he scores 15-20 goals and we get promoted, you are then staring at an £8-£10million player. No matter how good he does, you'll never get anywhere near that figure with Pigott
Isn’t Hirst a bit like Pigott in the goal scoring stakes? He’s had one good season - actually worse than Pigott who had least had a couple behind him. Not saying he won’t be great for us, but he’s a gamble and at 1.5m a hefty one at this level.
Age is huge here though. Pigott was still playing National League football aged 24. Wouldn't manage a 10-goal season in the EFL until he was 25. Hirst has hit that level at 22/23.
Hirst is 23 and played England youth at every level though so has that pedigree and ceiling to go to - Pigott is 27/28 and had one very good season in 3rd tier - with Hirst you are buying the potential as well as the current ability and with hope that he can score goals in Championship as well and be worth a significant amount of money
Pigott has had two good seasons at this level - 18 goals from 48 games in 18/19 and 22 from 52 in 20/21.
If we’re paying for players I think we need them to be proven at this level. Both Davis and Hirst seem to be relatively expensive gambles considering the division we’re in. Hopefully, if we do bring them in, I’ll be proven wrong.
Pigott has had two good seasons at this level - 18 goals from 48 games in 18/19 and 22 from 52 in 20/21.
If we’re paying for players I think we need them to be proven at this level. Both Davis and Hirst seem to be relatively expensive gambles considering the division we’re in. Hopefully, if we do bring them in, I’ll be proven wrong.
Whilst we're in League One, by the time a young player is more proven than George Hirst at this level it's too late for us. Twine, Rudoni proves that. Even Hirst might already be out of reach.
Whilst we're in League One, by the time a young player is more proven than George Hirst at this level it's too late for us. Twine, Rudoni proves that. Even Hirst might already be out of reach.
Then is it the right route to take? Should we be investing in the academy instead to bringing through these youngsters ourselves? And in the meantime being very picky with the free transfer/low cost market to bring in experience.
Then is it the right route to take? Should we be investing in the academy instead to bringing through these youngsters ourselves? And in the meantime being very picky with the free transfer/low cost market to bring in experience.
I don't think you're ever going to totally avoid taking some educated guesses on transfers. It's taking the risk that allows you to realise a profit. There's a risk for Burnley and Huddersfield that Twine and Rudoni don't thrive at the higher level, but the pay-off if they do is massive.
Similarly you take a risk when you decide to integrate your academy kids. You have to leave squad places open so there's a pathway to the first team, without any certainty that they'll be good enough for the place you're giving up for them.
With a player like Hirst you study what they've done so far and try to decide if their recent form is going to be sustainable and if you're diligent enough and your judgement is good enough, you get it right more often that you get it wrong. You mitigate that risk with older players who have less potential but come with more guarantees.
Blackburn in for him and he’s obviously interested in going there, but they have to sell Brerton Diaz in order to be able to trade…suspect Hirst may hold out to see if that can materialise and choose us late in the window if Blackburn doesn’t happen.
Blackburn in for him and he’s obviously interested in going there, but they have to sell Brerton Diaz in order to be able to trade…suspect Hirst may hold out to see if that can materialise and choose us late in the window if Blackburn doesn’t happen.
So do we move on to our next target, or wait and trust they will still be around if we don't get Hirst?
This is why Ashton is paid his salary - it's up to him to make the call.
Pigott has had two good seasons at this level - 18 goals from 48 games in 18/19 and 22 from 52 in 20/21.
If we’re paying for players I think we need them to be proven at this level. Both Davis and Hirst seem to be relatively expensive gambles considering the division we’re in. Hopefully, if we do bring them in, I’ll be proven wrong.
You’ve got to speculate to accumulate though, we need to find players that if they excel are sold for £10m
I don't think you're ever going to totally avoid taking some educated guesses on transfers. It's taking the risk that allows you to realise a profit. There's a risk for Burnley and Huddersfield that Twine and Rudoni don't thrive at the higher level, but the pay-off if they do is massive.
Similarly you take a risk when you decide to integrate your academy kids. You have to leave squad places open so there's a pathway to the first team, without any certainty that they'll be good enough for the place you're giving up for them.
With a player like Hirst you study what they've done so far and try to decide if their recent form is going to be sustainable and if you're diligent enough and your judgement is good enough, you get it right more often that you get it wrong. You mitigate that risk with older players who have less potential but come with more guarantees.
Agree on leaving squad places open for the kids. Sounds like humphreys has been bright in pre-season. With harness, chaplin, aluko and edwards already in the squad for the forward positions, and ball, morsy and evans for the deeper midfield positions, we probably shouldn't go for celina if we're serious about humphreys - need to give him a chance to at least be on the bench.
Interesting points re: buying to sell for more in this thread. Of course, the most profitable sales will be players you didn't have to pay for in the first place. Get humphreys in the team and see how he goes.
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