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The Ex-Files: David Sheepshanks
Wednesday, 19th Dec 2012 11:55

In the third in our series The Ex-Files — in which Blair Ferguson talks to figures from Town’s past — we catch up not with an ex-player but with former chairman David Sheepshanks.

As soon as he begins to speak about Ipswich you get a sense that he is a man who still loves the club and despite any difficult times has always tried to do the best for it.

It was in 1995 that the Sheepshanks era began when he took over as chairman from John Kerr, a moment he cites as a great honour. He recalls his famous Five-Year Plan and the meeting which saw its creation.

“I remember from the outset in 1995 George Burley, Bryan Klug, Paul Goddard and various people all met in my office and sat round the table and I said ‘OK, can we get promoted next year?’, because we had just been relegated that year and we had the humiliation of the 9-0 thrashing at Man United.

“Everybody looked at me and said ‘No, of course we can’t get promoted this year’. And then I said ‘Can we be promoted in two years?’ and everyone’s head was down. I asked if we could get promoted in five years and Bryan Klug said ‘Yes, I think we can be promoted in five years’.

“‘Why can we be promoted in five years?’ I asked. He said that would give us time to begin to bring some of the bright young talent through the youth team and I said ‘Good, what else?’. And we began to create the plan and I did the same with other colleagues. It was all about a long-term approach to stick to our guns on those plans.”

With the plan in place, over the coming the seasons Town would become the “perennial bridesmaids” of the play-offs and with every season of failure came new pressures.

“After that we finished in the play-offs every year and each year we failed people asked if we were going to sack George Burley,” he recalls. “That kind of thing was absolute nonsense because we had no money, we never had any money, when I started there we had no money. We had to sell every year to survive and each time we failed in the play-offs we had to sell a player.

“In the succeeding years we had to sell again to balance the books before we could buy anybody and in 1999, of course, that was when we came so close and we had to sell Kieron Dyer.

“People thought that that was the end of the world and we would never challenge again but we stayed true to our beliefs and as a result of selling Kieron Dyer to Newcastle - for what at the time was a record £6.5 million fee, £6 million fee and another £500,000 on appearances, which we did get - we bought Marcus Stewart, Jermaine Wright and John McGreal.”


Sheepshanks pays tribute to Burley after the Bolton semi-final saw the Blues to Wembley

With a promotion-winning team in place it was Town’s turn to be the bride and they won promotion at Wembley via that 4-2 victory over Barnsley. This was a match that Sheepshanks remembers well with an extra pressure put upon him earlier that day.

“I always used to go and stay with the team on away matches and the other directors came as well, which was really important as that was a tradition of the club really. Before the final the team went down to Windsor and stayed for three nights in a hotel and George invited me to go down.


”We are Premier Leeeague!”

“I went on the last night and one of the things I’d done was occasionally speak to the players, but never on a matchday because I’ve always been a very strong believer that that’s the manager’s territory.

“I never went down to the dressing room before a match but I’ve seen so many chairman do so, I don’t know what they think they’re doing, chairman or chief executives that want to talk to the players, what the hell for? It’s the manager’s domain. “But I did occasionally, two or three times a season, talk to the players on a training day about what was going on at the club and things we were doing and things we were working on, again because I thought that was really important.

“On this particular day George asked me on the matchday just before the pre-match lunch ‘Would you go and say something to the players?’ I thought ‘Oh my God, what am I going to say!’. I can’t remember for the life of me what I said but all I do know is that Jim Magilton said it was good. I’m sure it had no effect whatsoever.”

Sheepshanks, who is now working as chairman at St George’s Park, the new England training centre near Burton-on-Trent, admits to being “wracked with nerves” and “so nervous I couldn’t eat” much like all other Ipswich fans that day.


Showing the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge around St George’s Park at its opening in October

Whilst talking through the match he finishes with Martijn Reuser’s goal, reciting the lines from the TV commentary he watched later that day and with his voice growing ever louder, ending with “Reuser, Premiership!”.


What followed was an amazing season but after that came relegation and subsequently administration, a subject which, when it inevitably arose, saw the enthusiasm and vigour drain from Sheepshanks’s voice as he began to explain in detail what went wrong.

“The first season we had was extraordinary. It just got better and better. It was the belief and the momentum we created, the belief we had around the club.

“But then you look at how on earth it all went wrong. I think it was culturally too much for the club at the time. I don’t mean for the club as it had a great history of success through the Robson years, but it was too much for the people concerned.

“We had a few new players, in particular Finidi George and Matteo Sereni, who arrived right at the beginning of the season.

“We tried to get Mart Poom from Derby because Richard Wright had gone and we tried like anything to stop Richard Wright going but he had this opportunity to go to Arsenal and I don’t blame him at all because it was a great opportunity for him, but his agent [Jonathan Barnett] was a nightmare with me at the time.


Mart Poom

“We couldn’t stop him going and we identified Mart Poom but he broke his wrist the week before the season started just as we were hopefully going to conclude the deal, and then we were up a gum tree.

“George was recommended Matteo Sereni by Sven-Göran Eriksson, who was the England manager at the time, and George went and saw him once and took him for an enormous amount of money, and it didn’t work.”

It might be thought that one reason for the downfall was over-ambition, but Sheepshanks dismisses this, believing they set reasonable goals, and says there was a time during 2001/02 when Town looked to be safe.

“As a board we didn’t have any unrealistic expectations, nor did George. We sat down and we were very clear and we thought probably 12th having finished fifth. We said maybe we should try and finish 17th but we aimed 12th.

“But of course it was an extraordinary season and, whilst we won in Europe and it was marvellous to be in Europe, we kept losing in the league and when it came to December we were rock bottom. But then we had an extraordinary win away at Tottenham, a lucky win and we did the double on them a few weeks later at home.

“Suddenly this belief flooded back into the team. I was taken out as a guest to the Super Bowl in New Orleans and we won on the first weekend in February, away at Everton. I think it was 3-0 [actually 2-1, 3-0 was the previous year] and I remember David Gill was there from Manchester United and he saw me and said ‘Congratulations, what a win!’.

“That took us, on February 3rd 2002, to 12th in the table and he said ‘Congratulations, that must have secured your future, well done what a helluva turn around’.

“I thought we were going to be safe, I think we had 32 points and something like 10 games to go, but we only took six points from the rest of those games.

“You couldn’t really believe it. Maybe you could understand the terrible start because of Europe and the distractions, but then to recover to the extent we recovered and then lose it like that at the end and get relegated it was a bloody tough pill to swallow.”

With Town relegated, the hard work really began in the boardroom to make sure the club was in a healthy financial state. It can be argued, as Sheepshanks does, that being relegated that season was the worst time in Premier League history.

“The economic climate by then was really bad and there were great concerns about ITV Digital and they went bust. There were real concerns in Europe about the legitimacy of the Premier League TV deal, people were worried, and on top of that it was going to be the first summer ever of having a transfer deadline. We were snookered.

“I think it was the worst time ever [to be relegated]. I even spoke to the Premier League about the legitimacy of the transfer deadline and everyone knew we were stuffed because it was the first time ever any club had to deal with relegation, trying to sell their players with this new arbitrary deadline on 31st August.

“Coventry had been relegated the year before and were arguably in a much worse state than us, but they managed to trade their way throughout the season and stay afloat. We couldn’t.

“What happened to us, because of the arbitrary window, was that everybody knew that we were snookered and they could play hardball with us. So, although we managed to sell Titus Bramble to Newcastle and Marcus Stewart to Sunderland, we were between a rock and a hard place, they drove a very hard deal on us.


With former skipper Holland

“We had a bid for Matt Holland [from Aston Villa for £4 million] and for Hermann Hreidarsson [£3.3 million from West Brom] which we were going to take and they turned the moves down. In a way it was to their eternal credit because we were trying to rally in August and say we were going to get promoted again.

“On the one hand we’ve lived this fantastic dream together of getting promoted and getting high in the Premier League and so forth. People like Matt Holland and Hermann are really salt of the earth people and they loved the club and they didn’t want to go and yet I desperately wanted them to go because that money was going to save us.”

Sheepshanks remains adamant that Town wasn’t badly run but that he had been dealt some very difficult cards: “The only thing I can say is that I think we were a well-run club, I think it’s worth saying and, nobody knows this, but it was cash that was the issue. It was this transfer deadline, ITV Digital and the economic climate of the Premiership clubs.

“Those three factors combined in a way that has never happened since and it was like managing in quicksand, it made it impossible.

“All three clubs Derby, Leicester and ourselves ended up in the proverbial mire and administration. I honestly don’t see how any club could have dealt with it, so we were blamed for spending too much, but we hadn’t really.

“Yes, we’d been ambitious and we had spent what we thought we could afford. Nobody predicted that set of circumstances we had to deal with and it’s worth saying that the year we were relegated we still made a £2.5 million profit.

“You can say ‘How did that happen?’, it was because we were running it reasonably prudently. We invested in Sereni and Finidi George and why wouldn’t you? Because of George Burley’s reputation and his ability as a manager who could choose the right players had been sensational, you wouldn’t go against him as a board of directors.

“If he had made quite a few bad signings we would have said ’Well, what’s this about?’, but when his judgement was so supreme we backed him and we were right to back him. It’s only with hindsight that you stand back, we were where we were and we had to front up.

“It was an appalling time for all of us involved and for all of us who suffered, I shall always be incredibly sorry for that. But I took responsibility and my directors took collective responsibility and the only thing we could do was to take responsibility for effecting a recovery.”


Alongside Burley’s successor Joe Royle

This responsibility ultimately took the shape of finding a new owner in the form of Marcus Evans, who completed his takeover five years ago on Monday of this week. Sheepshanks spent the best part of two years searching around the world for someone who could “fund this club to promotion”.

Whilst Evans has given the club financial backing, the outcome has not so far been as hoped and Sheepshanks feels that the faceless owner approach wasn’t the right way to go.

“It does have an effect and when we did the deal with Marcus and he made it clear that he wanted to be anonymous I made it clear to him then and there, I told him that football was a very different world and I really felt that he should be visible. But you have to respect his wishes.”

The appointment of Mick McCarthy is one viewed by Sheepshanks as a step in the right direction and he thinks he will be able to guide Town back to the Premier League sooner rather than later.


With Jim Magilton

“If Mick stays and Marcus Evans is able to go on backing him then I believe this club can in a year or two look forward realistically to promotion to the Premier League.”

Sheepshanks, who takes pride in having had three managers such as George Burley, Joe Royle and Jim Magilton working for him at the club, still shows the same passion when he talks about the club, with his formal involvement having ended last summer when he stood down as chairman and director of the PLC.

Like every other fan he now waits for Town to turn a corner and start to make some progress back towards the Premier League.


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Edmunds5 added 14:16 - Dec 19
I have admiration for what Sheepshanks done here, he helped bring some great moments here and you could tell he loved the club, he reminds me of your modern day chairmen, Dave Whelan, Steve Gibson ect in the way that he seemed to run the club as a fan and on the whole made genuine decisions. Obviously things turned sour going into administration and our second season we should have continued to build in the way that teams like Stoke and Fulham have, becoming more and more established, at the same time as fans when we see these big players coming through the door we feel excited as if there are great times ahead, a bit like I did when Chopra and Emmanuel-Thomas joined and particularly Bullard, not baring in mind there wages but thinking about the present for the club, Chairmen and owners are successfull people who want to be the best and compete with the best and so they add and add but obviously this can backfire.
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ip5w1ch added 14:31 - Dec 19
He may have steered us to one of the few high points in the last twenty odd years but on the flip side he almost destroyed the club. Had Evans not turned up we would have gone into administration for a second time, been docked points, been relegated, seen the team decimated by a fire sale and who knows probably liquidated….in short we would have been Portsmouth.

ITFC 1981 - Those who only see one side of the coin are the ignorant ones.
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Morgan added 15:01 - Dec 19
David Sheepshanks was a big part of my best era as a Town Fan being too young for the late 70's/early 80's. When ever people talk about the club this is the time that I think back to when it was friendly, postive, we played great football, and the atmosphere was a lot of fun. There were spells in the Championships when if we had Barnsley at home for example the only question we need to answer is how many goals we were going to score.

Sereni/ Finidi were reasonable gambles to take for any club who finished 5th. Of course you are going to try and strengthen the squad, and we were in Europe and these guys could have lifted the profile of the club and given experience that we lacked. I don't blame anyone for this, it just didnt work. That;s life.

I don't have a great understanding about the financial constraints that were put on the club back then, some of the points about the changes seem to mean that any club who went down that year would be screwed.

I remember one year my Mum was devestated in the queue as she had travelled from Lowestoft and queued up taking duplicate stubs by mistake (when you needed to show your stubs to get tickets for playoff matches.) The ticket office told her there was nothing they could do despite all her purchases being on the system. She was walking out upset when DS was walking the other way and he stopped and sorted this out for her. She always talks about this and these are the little things that made me love Ipswich as I do now.

I also remember after a bad start to a season we lost at home to West Ham and there were a few unhappy people in the North who stayed after, I hung about to see what was going to happen and one of the stewards said that he would speak to 2 representatives of the group that were there face to face. You don't see things like that anymore! Respect.

Thanks Mr Sheepshanks.
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theobald1985 added 16:29 - Dec 19
i notice he does not mention how george burley came to be at the club in the first place.how he conspired to steal colchesters manager without paying compensation.im still very suspicous of where all the money went i mean yes the stand and a few players but getting to the prem is supposed to bank you 30 millon odd and we stayed there for 2 years and then had parachute payments.i dont understand it but think we are well rid of sheepshanks
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carsey added 17:41 - Dec 19
A great man Mr Sheepshanks as I have said on here before I would much rather he had stayed as ME's CEO instead of Clegg. Mr S cares about ITFC and was man enough to put himself in amongst the supporters and listen to them. Yes mistakes were made but it should be remembered those mistakes were at a time when the entire football world was in turmoil. Unless you were one of the really big clubs everyone was in a panic. We were lucky that ME turned up I'm just concerned he doesn't really give a toss about the club and if he sees a chance to get out and cut his losses he will.
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Talbs77 added 20:43 - Dec 19
I think people on here having a go at Sheepshanks are being slightly harsh.

Yes he cocked up bigtime and we are still paying the price t a certain extent, but I dont remember anyone moaning about him that day at Wembley or the following season.

I think Carsey makes a great point, having Sheepshanks as a CEO instead of Clegg sounds much more appealing than the rather cold Clegg who, lets face it, we know nothing about when it comes to running the club.

Sheepshanks love of the club, and his love of football always shines through and he should be congratulated for his work at St Georges Park.

I wish him the very best for the future.
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beerhelps added 22:23 - Dec 19
Sheepy - Jackel or Hyde?

Five year plan? - loved it! - Steady progression without risking the Club, built on the youth team and lower league players with hunger, we could all 'buy in' because it made sense.

Premiership - madness! - knock down the 'North' and distroy the atmosphere (Churchmans just about made sense), start to spend big on pre- madonas, basicly risking - and losing - our club, which from now on will always be a rich mans play thing.

At much as I loved the 'five years', losing 'our' Club was far to great a price to pay.....and I remain suspicious that DS's true ambition was for the top job with the FA and we were the stepping stone.

No questioning the Old Etonian charm though.....

The 'dislike' button is on the right!
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adamisablue added 01:59 - Dec 20
theobold
there was no parachute money back then, that was started AFTER our fiasco to stop it happening to others. also the collapse of itv digetle meant a large chunk of that 30 mill gone, coupled with hugh wage bills (sereni, paplo finindi amonst others) divided by the day to day cost (bills, merchindise making non-footballing staff etc) equals one skint as club. oh and you can probably go ahead and chuck loss of revenue from going down (drop in season tickets, drop in merch sales etc)

well someone had to tell him the obvious
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allezlesbleus added 06:59 - Dec 20
Beerhelps.........

I think you wrote perfectly what I was trying to put across.

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ip5w1ch added 10:21 - Dec 20
Adamisablue makes a good point the collapse of the itv digital deal coupled did have an adverse effect on us financially.

ITV Digital got out of the deal because The Football League failed to get parent company guarantees from Carlton and Granada which meant clubs missed out on millions. No prizes for guessing which ruddy faced financial wizard helped to draw up those tender documents...

I don't want to crucify sheepy but he wasnt the messiah. He was savvy when it came to public relations and could turn the charm on but he didnt have the requisite financial/business knowledge . We now have a businessman in charge not a pr man and I think I prefer it.
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theobald1985 added 18:52 - Dec 20
allezlez blues
we were in the prem for 2 years with good gates so its not 30 million were talking 60 million for 2 years in the prem are we not.i dont claim to be an expert on finance so maybe it is obvious to you but not to me i was only raising the point.if you take 60 million as the figure for 2 years add gate reciepts and sponsership revenue etc and then think how much in debt we were when we went into administration were talking around 90 to a 100 million gone.i dont see where it went.i think were better off without sheepshanks.in any other company this fiasco would be regarded as a massive failure and they way he treated col u just because he regarded them as little insignificant is an embaressment to my club.i know alot of col u fans and they are still bitter.and then norwich went and did the same with lambert ...disgraceful.mr sheepshanks was a very sly and self important man and im glad he has gone
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RegencyBlue added 21:07 - Dec 20
Ok - problem with Sheepshanks is that he began to believe his own publicity, that he could do no wrong!

First five years and the famous plan - no problems at all. Then it all went horribly wrong and we are still paying for the massive mistakes made. I think I am right in saying that Sheepy himself ultimately admitted to not taking proper financial advice before committing to the ground expansion which ultimately brought us to Administration. I'm sure Phil will correct me if I'm wrong.

I have no doubt that he acted in the best interests of the club, as he saw them, but he got it spectacularly wrong and everything which has happened since then stems from Sheepshanks mishandling of club affairs.

Taking his reign as a whole I would say it was a triumph of image over substance, in my honest opinion!
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BuckieBlue added 22:33 - Dec 20
RE 5 year plan- does any club do that sort of thing these days? Respect for Sheepshanks and board back then for having that sort of vision.
RE our final 10 games in 2001-2 when we crashed, i heard Matt Holland say recently that by that stage the squad was knackered after their run in Europe ( i think that final bad run started with a 6-0 or 6-1 loss at home to Liverpool which must have drained confidence as well). So ironically if the board had taken the risk and spent more on adding to the squad we may have stayed up.
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Bluesaway added 22:36 - Dec 20
An interesting article, but the abrupt end of the Joe Royle era is skipped over. One minute Joe was going into a meeting with DS to discuss squad plans for the next season, then he was out of a job and we were looking for a new manager.

It all seemed a major surprise at the time, given JR had got us into the play-offs 2 years running despite having no money to play with, whilst playing good attacking football. I recall the big turnaround at QPR, where the home fans were mocking us at 2-1, then in the second half we tore them apart, winning 4-2 when we could easily have scored 7 or 8.

I know JR's final year was disappointing, finishing mid-table, but we did sell the core of the team the previous summer, and there appeared to be a plan to rebuild and signs that Joe had a vision of where he wanted to head. All seemed a little odd at the time.
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bournemouthblue added 04:51 - Dec 22
Given the way the club is run now can anyone genuinely moan about Sheepshanks, he has a valid point on it being the worst year to be relegated. Look at clubs that go down now with all that parachute money.

We definitely built those stands too early and actually in reality given our attendances over the last decade, only one was really needed.

I see Norwich have plans to build a new stand next year, hopefully that fecks them up just as royally.
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jennygw added 19:30 - Jan 2
Great interview.
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soupytwist added 12:41 - Jan 15
Clearly David Sheepshanks will be at pains to give his side of the story in an interview like this and it's great to be reminded of some of the publicy known information as well as pick up previously unknown snippets like the Mart Poom thing - such little things can have a massive effect.
The one thing that was really interesting to me was the fact that Bryan Klug was prepared to put his hand up and say we could get promoted in 5 years with the players he had in the academy when everyone was looking at the floor. The fact that Klug was unceremoniously dumped by Keane just illustrates how wrong that man was for our football club. It's great that he's back, I wonder whether he thinks we've got a chance of promotion in 5 years with the current academy crop? I bet we'll never get the chance to find out.
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