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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 21:11 28 Mar 2023
Just stick to your comfortable towny life if you’re really going to spout such rubbish as ‘no one eats rabbit’ anymore or question if I know about eating and prepping game. FWIW game is actually better for you than other poultry.
The U.K. has incredibly diverse and plentiful wildlife, thanks in no small part to the custodians of the countryside, or ‘sickos’ as you so eloquently put it. Almost every day I could point to the many hares/deer of all sorts/buzzards/golden plovers/skylarks/other birds I see on and around the farm (existing in harmony with a shoot I may add)
Totally understand sensible questions about shooting; but whilst you stick to your processed, imported and therefore often mistreated farmed meat I’ll tuck into my pheasant with food miles of about 1.5 miles like the apparently posh, uninformed person that I am…
PS, subscriptions to things like the shooting times are always increasing and shooting is a pastime that transcends all sorts of boundaries people may think, it’s going nowhere [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 21:13]
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 14:44 28 Mar 2023
But in this instance, shooting birds (or trapping and eating rabbits for example) to eat is actually
Much more natural for them than any farmed animal who’s end of life comes via abbatoir
Can’t really compare to trophy hunting etc-as someone who’s been on Safari I can’t imagine ever choosing to shoot a big game animal |
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 11:21 28 Mar 2023
Not sure where to begin on the utter rubbish spouted here.
A lot of cats that are poisoned will limp their way home, even if it is to die. Unless you’re arguing with the established veterinary knowledge? The poisons available nowadays are not strong enough to kill where the animal eats it. On the farm we never see mice or rats dead by the bait boxes, rather they more often than not they go back to their nests.
I have personally never been to a shoot where any birds, never mind a lot, are simply thrown away. At the very least they would go to a butcher or similar. If your only argument is to use the examples of the ridiculous big shoots then I agree with you on that, but it’s not representative of the vast majority.
I’ll say again, it’s all okay to call hunters or shooters ‘sick’ for killing an animal
To eat in a wild environment, yet a vast majority will eat meat where they’re not always sure of its origin/ how it’s been kept. Likewise even on this site we see pinned posts about Cheltenham etc when the issues in the horse racing world have been proven before, never mind greyhound racing. (That isn’t an attack on the sports but it’s interesting which is the one heralded as ‘sick’
You’re determined to paint all shoots the same as the big industrial ones, but you fail to realise cost doesn’t = number of birds. Sometimes the (vastly ott) prices are because it’s in high demand due to the skill involved etc, rather than sheer number of wasted birds.
I am not posh or rich, in fact I know as many, if not more, people who shoot or work in the shooting industry who are working class as opposed to being ‘toad of toad hall’, yet of course it helps demonise an industry if a certain type of person is stereotyped instead.
Perhaps I should never have attempted to inform and explain to people who won’t or don’t ever hope to understand the realities? We’ve seen with Clarkson’s Farm it takes a celebrity to showcase the reality of what farming life can be like, never mind trying to explain a nuanced subject like this on a football forum [Post edited 28 Mar 2023 11:25]
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 10:49 28 Mar 2023
In what way? It’s fact and background from someone who lives and works in the countryside and actually knows what happens. Was also a very balanced view about the rights and wrongs of a pastime and ‘industry’, for want of a better word, that is a big contributor to the rural community |
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 08:41 28 Mar 2023
That’s a fair point and will teach me for posting late at night after a long day. I knew what I meant about ‘mass kills’ but you are of course correct |
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 08:22 28 Mar 2023
Of course, but still makes it a pest. Rats and mice are just doing their natural thing but they’re still vermin and a pest… |
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Reply | Someone in Suffolk is a knob
at 22:25 27 Mar 2023
You make some sensible, truthful points but also make the big error of tarring all shoots with the same brush.
The huge, 300+ bird day shoots that you talk about that cater for city folk are far from ideal, there’s little skill involved and this is where you get the stories of the birds going to landfill etc
However the vast majority of shoots going on around the country on any given day are likely to be much smaller shoots where the birds are well cared for and everything is eaten. I’ve even heard of shoots offering spare birds to foodbanks and them not being accepted for various reasons. The fact is a pheasant/partridge whatever that’s shot lives a much happier and more natural life (and death if clean killed) than most farm animals as there isn’t the whole abbatoir end to life and they reallt are free range.. Likewise there is a lot more wide ranging abuse of animals in greyhound/horse racing yet this never seems to be picked up by a large majority.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but I personally haven’t heard of cats being poisoned by shoots, I also asked my vet nurse wife and she said that whilst they see many cases a year of cats being accidentally poisoned by anti freeze in peoples water features etc she‘s never seen one that could be definitively linked to a shooting scenario.
Likewise, foxes unfortunately are a pest-just ask anyone who keeps chickens. There’s also a big difference between the cute urban foxes on videos that do the rounds and the much wilder, nastier rural foxes that will kill not just to eat but for fun too.
Not sure where you’ve got your £2000 a day from as an average either, there will be shoots that cost that much but once again they’re a minority, plenty I know of are small farm shoots where someone just has their local or farming mates over a couple of days a year and they then reciprocate-these often don’t even rely on many birds being ‘bred’, rather nature takes it’s course and the shooting isn’t much different to planned culls of things like deer to manage their numbers.
Totally understand peoples issue with shooting especially if they don’t know much about it, but felt it right to redress the balance here
Goes without saying whoever has done this in the OP should be severely punished, it’s awful and not at all what anyone who really cares about the countryside would do |
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Reply | Football Manager 23
at 13:06 5 Jan 2023
Long time reader first time poster etc etc
What is peoples secret/tactic for doing the stereotypical ‘won the champions league in 5 seasons etc’
Played FM for years and have had reasonable success in lower leagues but can never seem to do much better than be a paul warne/Neil warnock type manager in terms of struggling the higher up the pyramid I go
Even if I cheat and start a save with a top team I rarely do more than win a cup or two and finish top 6
Just wondered if there’s something obvious im missing |
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