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Reply | Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London
at 09:38 23 Apr 2024
100% this.
His followers (like Glasgow Blue) are taking his spin and presenting it as facts. It’s pathetic, disingenuous and divisive.
Without doubt there are some entirely legitimate and worrying concerns some of Jewish community have that deserve attention and recognition but this man’s actions and spin are doing more harm than good for all concerns. That for me should be enough for those with an open mind to at least question his motives and methods |
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Reply | Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London
at 12:30 22 Apr 2024
And it worked perfectly for him given the media attention and those doing his work for him, just read the title of this thread. Grossly misrepresenting what happened and demonstrably untrue but it will remain in place and some will simply accept it as true
Job done. Divisions widened once more |
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Reply | Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London
at 12:21 22 Apr 2024
Nobody has to “happy-clap” anything. But if he, or anyone else wants to challenge an opinion, event or protest he should work WITH the authorities to do it safely and appropriately rather than doing things in his own provocative way which is working AGAINST the authorities (the debate amounts the actual competence of the authorities in this instance notwithstanding)
I don’t generally like comparisons for this as they are a blunt and potentially insensitive tool given the history but we’ve seen many instances over the years or provocation at demonstrations or events leading to wide disorder and it’s a tactic some have deliberately employed for their own political gain and therefore it’s incumbent on the Police to try and prevent that happening, albeit they have a duty to do so in an appropriate and legal way of course |
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Reply | Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London
at 11:27 22 Apr 2024
Absolute rubbish. You are blinkered beyond reason.
He was being provocative (with his security chums) being purposely obstructive whilst trying to ensure he’s gets a response he wants on camera.
He did this for his own motives, he didn’t get this response for being Jewish but for being a confrontational egotistical numpty. |
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Reply | Threatened with arrest for being openly Jewish on the streets of London
at 11:21 22 Apr 2024
Nope, people are critising the police for their language.
People are also critising this gentlemen for what appears to be an intention to disrupt or cause provocation at a protest (again)
Both are legitimate views and don’t have to be mutually exclusive |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 20:58 12 Apr 2024
That I have no issue with at all, disliking a fanbase because of personal experiences is entirely understandable (for reasons not dissimilar I have a continued dislike of Birmingham fans).
It’s just the use of the always the victim trope that is (in my opinion) wrong and offensive given its connotation to Hillsborough. |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 20:29 12 Apr 2024
Horrific events, I would condone everyone and anyone who’s actions contributed to that, no ifs, no buts.
It is possible to criticise and empathise with a group of people for different events on different occasions. |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 20:24 12 Apr 2024
The trope “always the victim” is associated with Hillsborough. It’s been tested in a court (see link in thread) and was widely used after the event at Liverpool matches by rival fans in chants to mock the Liverpool fans who were fighting for justice. Those are the facts, some people may not intend it in that way but ignorance is no defence. It’s not about defending scousers for everything, it’s about challenging crap behavior and language over the most horrific event and subsequent injustice in football history. If people cannot understand that or choose not to consider how that phrase is perceived then it demonstrates what type of person they are |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 19:17 12 Apr 2024
Absolutely fine to mock and laugh at other team’s misfortunes and misdemeanors of course. It was just a couple of dense posters using and condoning the “always the victim trope” that caused things to go off a tangent. In some ways it’s nice that the ignorant identity themselves so readily |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 13:26 12 Apr 2024
It’s not forgetting Heysel. It’s having the intelligence and empathy to consider and respond to them both separately and appropriately.
The “always the victim” is a slur on them started by the Police and the Sun and used by opposition fans and general public as something to bait them with ever since. Anyone using it is ignorant and thick, anyone justifying its use is just as culpable |
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Reply | Scousers getting humiliated at Anfield.
at 13:21 12 Apr 2024
Absolute rubbish. Their fans had to campaign for decades to get justice for the 96 which included overcoming the media and wider population smears that perpetuated for decades.
They haven’t (at least as far as I’m aware?) done the same for Heysel whatsoever
Anyone using the “always the victims” line (or chants which were common in games from opposition for fans) is mocking them for Hillsborough and to claim otherwise is a deflection at best but in all probability a lie to try and justify the users ongoing ignorance and prejudice.
No true and genuine football fan should ever use that line. To be clear that’s not to say Liverpool fans (or any other supporters from different teams) can’t be called out for things that have some or to be challenged on things that are said but that line is crass, ignorant and insulting to those impacted by the worst tragedy in UK footballing history |
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Reply | How many Palestinian lives is sufficient?
at 18:34 19 Mar 2024
I watched in shock and dismay at her rant. I wasn’t familiar with who she was prior to the program and was horrified that she was basically allowed to rant without recourse. The SNP chap was actually pretty dignified in response to her accusations. |
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Reply | How many Palestinian lives is sufficient?
at 17:51 15 Feb 2024
Just consider your response if someone made a snipe at you on the thread about how scary things are for Jews around the world. I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t welcome that and would be reporting to admin.
You are being as provocative as others are around an issue that is very nuanced and divisive but the net result is innocent people have been killed and continue to be killed which any reasonable person should wish to cease without descending in by childish point scoring.
It’s pathetic and beneath anyone with an ounce of human decency. And I would offer that comment to each and everyone poster who is engaging in that about this horrific and barbaric conflict (from both sides). |
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Reply | How low can Sunak go?
at 19:00 8 Feb 2024
They aren’t all the same despite that effectively will be what the Tory press go with as their election strategy
See below link for a clear difference between Starmer and Sunak on a personal level.
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Reply | It's getting fcuking scary for Jews around the world
at 15:39 22 Dec 2023
What you said is insulting to the vast majority of the UK and London population by suggesting that this country is even remotely comparable to the most evil and horrific acts of the Nazis. Tarring an entire city or country for the actions of a relatively small % of subhuman scum risks you becoming part of divisions that exacerbate problems. |
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Reply | So, farewell then peter bone
at 09:13 20 Dec 2023
There is only so long you can hang on to a Bone in adverse circumstances.
Now his head is hanging in shame let’s hope the Tories get some stiffer opposition in the near future |
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Reply | Szmodics in January i reckon
at 14:59 22 Nov 2023
It’s neither really.
He’s a genuine Colchester lad (Stanway specifically) that was with Colchester for a long time and his Dad is a Colchester fan. Sammie was a fan favourite and said a few bits when he was breaking through that played to the anti-Ipswich thing but nothing in any formal interviews (that I’m aware of).
He’s a down to earth lad with a young family who’s wider family is still in and around Colchester. If he feels his career would benefit from being at Ipswich (and that looks to be the case with a shot at the Prem being realistic) If he was offered a decent contract with town he’d jump at it I think.
If it wasn’t of interest the talk would have been shut down by now.. |
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Reply | DON'T FORGET: #ImACeleb starts tonight....
at 19:38 20 Nov 2023
I neither love or hate it to be honest but it’s a program my wife and kids like so one of the few programs we actually sit and watch together. It’s inoffensive (to me at least) and can be occasionally funny and also irritating.
Wouldn’t be my first choice but don’t see why it being popular winds up other people so much |
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Reply | DON'T FORGET: #ImACeleb starts tonight....
at 16:54 20 Nov 2023
Ooh I’m flattered you’ve noticed my previous posts, unfortunately I can’t reciprocate as I don’t recall anything you’ve posted before
Happy be corrected on the nuances of your posts on this thread but sentiment is still odd that you choose to share how you don’t like a program (or programs ) on a thread about a program you don’t like or watch.
I just don’t understand why people feel the need to share with others how they don’t like something when a thread is clearly for those who do. Just screams a bit of “look at me being all contrary”. Maybe that’s unfair, just feels a bit strange |
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