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The NHS is doomed! 09:48 - Nov 20 with 1454 viewsDJR

An article in today's Guardian has the headline-

"UK health spending ‘to grow less than in austerity era’, analysis reveals"

The article goes on to say "[NHS spending] will only increase by 1.2% in real terms over the next two years. That is below the 2% average seen in the decade preceding the pandemic, as well as the historical average of about 3.8%." It was a high as 8% under the last Labour government.

It was that 2% average increased pre-pandemic which crippled the NHS at a time of a rapidly increasing and ageing population. This meant the NHS could only cope with the pandemic by effectively shutting down many services. This was much less the case in countries such as Spain and Germany who don't have anything like the waiting lists that we have, and have largely overcome any Covid backlog.

Instead, we have gone from waiting lists of more than 5 million to 7.1 million, and NHS spending increases at a level less than the austerity years, when coupled with a crisis in social care and a pay crisis, are only going to make things worse.

EDIT: The Health Secretary today is blaming everything on the pandemic (so much for Sunak's honesty and integrity) but that is just a blatant lie, and doesn't explain the much better position of virtually every other European country.



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The NHS is doomed! on 23:35 - Nov 20 with 1269 viewsfactual_blue


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The NHS is doomed! on 01:01 - Nov 21 with 1226 viewsXYZ

It's the entirely deliberate destruction of the NHS by the Tufton St wreckers enabled by their bots.

Known, but not publicised, by prominent tory TWTDers.

Oh, and, by the way, they've handed your data (without your consent) to the eugenicist Peter Thiel. So, in a couple of years' time you'll be invited to pay health insurance based on your DNA risk profile ...

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The NHS is doomed! on 01:08 - Nov 21 with 1219 viewsXYZ

The NHS is doomed! on 01:01 - Nov 21 by XYZ

It's the entirely deliberate destruction of the NHS by the Tufton St wreckers enabled by their bots.

Known, but not publicised, by prominent tory TWTDers.

Oh, and, by the way, they've handed your data (without your consent) to the eugenicist Peter Thiel. So, in a couple of years' time you'll be invited to pay health insurance based on your DNA risk profile ...



Cross-referenced, of course, to all your social media posts, emails etc.

Thiel was part of the Cambridge Analytica malarky that brought us Trump and Brexit.

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The NHS is doomed! on 06:49 - Nov 21 with 1122 viewsLegendofthePhoenix

I fear you are right. Having worked in the NHS for 35 years, its in a far more perilous state now than ever. The lies and deceptions of government can't be hidden any longer. The state is so bad in so many hospitals - critical targets in every area are now being missed by record levels, even in hospitals like mine which which have previously had good or excellent ratings. The commitment and heroic efforts of staff in very trying circumstances has propped up services far longer than would have been the case if it was "just a job". We all hoped that after Covid, the value of the NHS would be recognised and health spending might increase towards that of other European countries - and I'm not talking just pay. We have buildings that are just falling apart, totally unfit for healthcare. Buckets on floors to catch the rain pouring in. Parts of my hospital pre-date Queen Victoria. We are using equipment that is 20 years old. We can't re-build it, we need a completely new hospital, but the governments pledge to build 40 new hospitals doesn't mean that - a "new hospital" as defined by the Tories includes refurbishing a wing of a hospital. To build a brand new large acute hospital costs around £1.3Bn. The Tory new hospitals programme to build 40 new hospitals only has funding of around £200M per hospital.

The NHS is quite literally crumbling to dust. The staff can see it as plain as day. Even if the Tories privatise healthcare, they need hospitals to deliver the care, and it takes years to build them. This is going to get far worse before it gets better. The mental health of staff has taken a pounding, staff are leaving and sickness due to stress is through the roof. If there isn't a huge injection of funds now to match other European nations , the NHS is doomed.

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The NHS is doomed! on 07:48 - Nov 21 with 1056 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

The NHS is doomed! on 01:01 - Nov 21 by XYZ

It's the entirely deliberate destruction of the NHS by the Tufton St wreckers enabled by their bots.

Known, but not publicised, by prominent tory TWTDers.

Oh, and, by the way, they've handed your data (without your consent) to the eugenicist Peter Thiel. So, in a couple of years' time you'll be invited to pay health insurance based on your DNA risk profile ...



And look whose been advising them.....blue Labour!

"The American software firm Palantir, which is chaired by the billionaire Donald Trump supporter Peter Thiel, is considered the favourite to win the contract. The firm has hired two senior officials from the NHS and has been advised by Global Counsel, the consultancy firm set up by the former Labour cabinet minister Lord Mandelson."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/13/controversial-360m-nhs-england-d

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The NHS is doomed! on 08:42 - Nov 21 with 996 viewsLeoMuff

The NHS is doomed! on 06:49 - Nov 21 by LegendofthePhoenix

I fear you are right. Having worked in the NHS for 35 years, its in a far more perilous state now than ever. The lies and deceptions of government can't be hidden any longer. The state is so bad in so many hospitals - critical targets in every area are now being missed by record levels, even in hospitals like mine which which have previously had good or excellent ratings. The commitment and heroic efforts of staff in very trying circumstances has propped up services far longer than would have been the case if it was "just a job". We all hoped that after Covid, the value of the NHS would be recognised and health spending might increase towards that of other European countries - and I'm not talking just pay. We have buildings that are just falling apart, totally unfit for healthcare. Buckets on floors to catch the rain pouring in. Parts of my hospital pre-date Queen Victoria. We are using equipment that is 20 years old. We can't re-build it, we need a completely new hospital, but the governments pledge to build 40 new hospitals doesn't mean that - a "new hospital" as defined by the Tories includes refurbishing a wing of a hospital. To build a brand new large acute hospital costs around £1.3Bn. The Tory new hospitals programme to build 40 new hospitals only has funding of around £200M per hospital.

The NHS is quite literally crumbling to dust. The staff can see it as plain as day. Even if the Tories privatise healthcare, they need hospitals to deliver the care, and it takes years to build them. This is going to get far worse before it gets better. The mental health of staff has taken a pounding, staff are leaving and sickness due to stress is through the roof. If there isn't a huge injection of funds now to match other European nations , the NHS is doomed.


Indeed, I have worked in the NHS for only 11 years but the decline is incredible in that time.

It is now accepted that wards will be dangerously staffed daily, ambulances will queue round the block and patients are assessed and treated in the back of them, patients will have beds in therapy gyms or the middle of bays, key equipment is stored in corridors, wards are run by agency staff who commute to work from 7 hours away which is all paid for and the hotel to board them while paying them more than the regular staff and an agency fee.

I really can’t see a way back from here.

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The NHS is doomed! on 08:46 - Nov 21 with 992 viewsDJR

The NHS is doomed! on 06:49 - Nov 21 by LegendofthePhoenix

I fear you are right. Having worked in the NHS for 35 years, its in a far more perilous state now than ever. The lies and deceptions of government can't be hidden any longer. The state is so bad in so many hospitals - critical targets in every area are now being missed by record levels, even in hospitals like mine which which have previously had good or excellent ratings. The commitment and heroic efforts of staff in very trying circumstances has propped up services far longer than would have been the case if it was "just a job". We all hoped that after Covid, the value of the NHS would be recognised and health spending might increase towards that of other European countries - and I'm not talking just pay. We have buildings that are just falling apart, totally unfit for healthcare. Buckets on floors to catch the rain pouring in. Parts of my hospital pre-date Queen Victoria. We are using equipment that is 20 years old. We can't re-build it, we need a completely new hospital, but the governments pledge to build 40 new hospitals doesn't mean that - a "new hospital" as defined by the Tories includes refurbishing a wing of a hospital. To build a brand new large acute hospital costs around £1.3Bn. The Tory new hospitals programme to build 40 new hospitals only has funding of around £200M per hospital.

The NHS is quite literally crumbling to dust. The staff can see it as plain as day. Even if the Tories privatise healthcare, they need hospitals to deliver the care, and it takes years to build them. This is going to get far worse before it gets better. The mental health of staff has taken a pounding, staff are leaving and sickness due to stress is through the roof. If there isn't a huge injection of funds now to match other European nations , the NHS is doomed.


Well done to you and your colleagues for what you do. It must be heart breaking to see what's been going on.

Sadly, people don't really seem to care about the state of the NHS, or are merely content to let the government blame it all on the pandemic. But we are rapidly approaching the point where it is just too late to do anything about it as today's headline in the Times indicates.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patients-to-face-long-nhs-waits-for-years-22h

The state of the NHS doesn't really get much publicity, but one person who is very good on this is MD in Private Eye, who has been banging on about its run-down for several years.
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The NHS is doomed! on 10:56 - Nov 21 with 925 viewsLegendofthePhoenix

The NHS is doomed! on 08:46 - Nov 21 by DJR

Well done to you and your colleagues for what you do. It must be heart breaking to see what's been going on.

Sadly, people don't really seem to care about the state of the NHS, or are merely content to let the government blame it all on the pandemic. But we are rapidly approaching the point where it is just too late to do anything about it as today's headline in the Times indicates.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patients-to-face-long-nhs-waits-for-years-22h

The state of the NHS doesn't really get much publicity, but one person who is very good on this is MD in Private Eye, who has been banging on about its run-down for several years.


There has been a really noticeable change in the attitude of staff since the pandemic. IMHO, many staff who have worked for years putting up with poor conditions and under funding have now reached the point where they are saying it is too much, and leaving/retiring in droves, or just "giving up" and doing what they can reasonably do within their normal hours, and then going home. The general public seem to be apathetic. The data is there to show how badly the NHS is failing, so why aren't there demonstrations and outcries on the streets in every city? I don't get why the general public is allowing the government to get away with this. Our healthcare system is collapsing, and no one seems to care. And if the public don't care, why should the NHS workers try and carry the burden?

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The NHS is doomed! on 11:05 - Nov 21 with 909 viewsDJR

The NHS is doomed! on 10:56 - Nov 21 by LegendofthePhoenix

There has been a really noticeable change in the attitude of staff since the pandemic. IMHO, many staff who have worked for years putting up with poor conditions and under funding have now reached the point where they are saying it is too much, and leaving/retiring in droves, or just "giving up" and doing what they can reasonably do within their normal hours, and then going home. The general public seem to be apathetic. The data is there to show how badly the NHS is failing, so why aren't there demonstrations and outcries on the streets in every city? I don't get why the general public is allowing the government to get away with this. Our healthcare system is collapsing, and no one seems to care. And if the public don't care, why should the NHS workers try and carry the burden?


Ministers clap, and wear badges, but it's a facade. As you suggest, we should be manning the barricades. This just wouldn't be put up with in any other European country, but sadly the British are so docile.
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