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"The owner of a burnt-out Saab on the Elbchaussee said she had just got her children to get ready for school when about 30 masked protesters starting throwing bottles and molotov cocktails on the street outside, shortly before 8am."
What a bunch of tw*ts. Anti-capitalist indeed - I bet they go home and switch on all their capitalist based gadgets and feel very proud of themselves.
SB
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 22:33 - Jul 7 with 4153 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 22:30 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
What is your point?
Are you for or against violent protest?
Looks like a bunch of idiots to me.
"The owner of a burnt-out Saab on the Elbchaussee said she had just got her children to get ready for school when about 30 masked protesters starting throwing bottles and molotov cocktails on the street outside, shortly before 8am."
What a bunch of tw*ts. Anti-capitalist indeed - I bet they go home and switch on all their capitalist based gadgets and feel very proud of themselves.
SB
Just drawing a historical analogy....do you have a problem with it ?
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 22:46 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
So do you agree with what they are doing?
You didn't bother answering in my first response, you just posted a link essentially blaming the German state.
SB
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 22:47]
I would need to witness each act of violence to form a view.....the only link I posted is a live one, no editing . Now about this "glorifying " ? You share the trait with Glassers in determining what is "sensible" by the way. I find it ironic that while Hamburg burns our esteemed leaders are watching a concert, that is all ! Hence the Nero reference .
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 22:36 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
You seem to be glorifying their idiocy, I have a problem with that yes.
It's interesting, just when I think you've started posting sensibly you stop.
If by state violence you mean stopping people burning cars and throwing Molotov cocktails then I have no problem with it at all. Neither should you.
SB
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 22:37]
In my experience the state is always more than happy to instigate violence at these protests as they generally have the biggest most tooled up gang and a supportive media to win the PR war with a generally compliant audience. Hence the use of agent provocateurs.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 22:56 - Jul 7 by BanksterDebtSlave
I would need to witness each act of violence to form a view.....the only link I posted is a live one, no editing . Now about this "glorifying " ? You share the trait with Glassers in determining what is "sensible" by the way. I find it ironic that while Hamburg burns our esteemed leaders are watching a concert, that is all ! Hence the Nero reference .
You're initial reference was to the leader doing nothing whilst his city burned. What exactly should the leaders do? The protesters are 100% in the wrong here, if they want to protest against capitalism then go for it, however don't burn cars and lob cocktails on streets with kids on - you know they have done this - it's quoted in the article you posted so you don't need to review each case - you can't pick and choose bits from your own article that suit you.
So yes, posting anything about the protesters at all is glorifying their actions in my eyes. I've given you 3 chances to condemn them and you haven't. That could also be seen as glorification.
The only reason Hamburg is burning is because a bunch of complete idiots are rioting - that's all. What do you want the leaders to do? Do you want Trump to don a Rambo headband and single-handedly take them all out?
SB
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:00 - Jul 7 by BanksterDebtSlave
In my experience the state is always more than happy to instigate violence at these protests as they generally have the biggest most tooled up gang and a supportive media to win the PR war with a generally compliant audience. Hence the use of agent provocateurs.
"In your experience".
So you go rioting a lot then?
SB
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:22 - Jul 7 with 4060 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:02 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
"In your experience".
So you go rioting a lot then?
SB
No but I've been on lots of protests, picket lines and even festivals that have turned violent and seen the boys in blue in action.....even squaddies here...watch it til the end ITV decided not to air his report...
Edit ....the squaddies were 1988 not this one for accuracy.
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:26]
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:22 - Jul 7 by BanksterDebtSlave
No but I've been on lots of protests, picket lines and even festivals that have turned violent and seen the boys in blue in action.....even squaddies here...watch it til the end ITV decided not to air his report...
Edit ....the squaddies were 1988 not this one for accuracy.
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:26]
That clip has nothing to do with the protests in Germany.
To draw similarities is bizarre when you have no evidence at all. You should surely see this?
SB
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:45 - Jul 7 with 4038 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:31 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
That clip has nothing to do with the protests in Germany.
To draw similarities is bizarre when you have no evidence at all. You should surely see this?
SB
You asked me if I rioted or not so I replied with a post, from my experience that shows that violence comes from both sides and is often instigated by the police. Do you have evidence that agent provocateurs have not been used in Germany ? Here is one of many examples... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/01/05/cana-j05.html
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:48]
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:45 - Jul 7 by BanksterDebtSlave
You asked me if I rioted or not so I replied with a post, from my experience that shows that violence comes from both sides and is often instigated by the police. Do you have evidence that agent provocateurs have not been used in Germany ? Here is one of many examples... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/01/05/cana-j05.html
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:48]
I'm going to leave it here but I find it astonishing you won't condemn the violence of the protesters and instead look to blame the police. Posting 30 year old videos of no relevance doesn't help your cause and all your posts are complete supposition.
You've let yourself down badly in this thread.
SB
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:54]
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:57 - Jul 7 with 4001 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:50 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
I'm going to leave it here but I find it astonishing you won't condemn the violence of the protesters and instead look to blame the police. Posting 30 year old videos of no relevance doesn't help your cause and all your posts are complete supposition.
You've let yourself down badly in this thread.
SB
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:54]
I am the sum of my experiences and have no problem with looking at myself without feeling too let down.....maybe you should consider why you so readily accept what you are fed ! How many political events that have descended into violence have you attended ?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:50 - Jul 7 by StokieBlue
I'm going to leave it here but I find it astonishing you won't condemn the violence of the protesters and instead look to blame the police. Posting 30 year old videos of no relevance doesn't help your cause and all your posts are complete supposition.
You've let yourself down badly in this thread.
SB
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:54]
Is this an over reaction to a few tents in a public space ?
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 09:11 - Jul 8 by BanksterDebtSlave
Is this an over reaction to a few tents in a public space ?
Not really.
Why are you painting the protesters as some kind of pacifist wing? They went nuts on Thursday burning 30 cars.
I find it strange you are still yet to condemn them and instead focus on a police response which wouldn't be needed if they hadn't been rioting the previous day.
Its' all a bit McDonnell from you.
SB
[Post edited 8 Jul 2017 9:16]
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 09:30 - Jul 8 with 3884 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 09:16 - Jul 8 by StokieBlue
Not really.
Why are you painting the protesters as some kind of pacifist wing? They went nuts on Thursday burning 30 cars.
I find it strange you are still yet to condemn them and instead focus on a police response which wouldn't be needed if they hadn't been rioting the previous day.
Its' all a bit McDonnell from you.
SB
[Post edited 8 Jul 2017 9:16]
Because the vast majority will have been non violent but will have been on the receiving end of violence (as in this clip). Never been one for 'divide and rule' ! My only comment would be to try and resist provocation to react violently as it is what 'the state' wants as I stated earlier re. they have the biggest, most tooled up gang and can generally (though not always) contain and control it.
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 09:30 - Jul 8 by BanksterDebtSlave
Because the vast majority will have been non violent but will have been on the receiving end of violence (as in this clip). Never been one for 'divide and rule' ! My only comment would be to try and resist provocation to react violently as it is what 'the state' wants as I stated earlier re. they have the biggest, most tooled up gang and can generally (though not always) contain and control it.
Still no condemnation.
I'll leave you to it. You have no evidence to say the majority are non-violent, you just have an axe to grind. I don't believe the state wants people to be violent and I suspect most other people don't either.
SB
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 10:12 - Jul 8 with 3833 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 23:45 - Jul 7 by BanksterDebtSlave
You asked me if I rioted or not so I replied with a post, from my experience that shows that violence comes from both sides and is often instigated by the police. Do you have evidence that agent provocateurs have not been used in Germany ? Here is one of many examples... https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/01/05/cana-j05.html
[Post edited 7 Jul 2017 23:48]
You say 'often' and post a clip from 32 years ago. That's quite funny
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Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 10:21 - Jul 8 with 3816 views
Emperor Nero playing his fiddle.... on 09:32 - Jul 8 by StokieBlue
Still no condemnation.
I'll leave you to it. You have no evidence to say the majority are non-violent, you just have an axe to grind. I don't believe the state wants people to be violent and I suspect most other people don't either.
SB
If tens of thousands acted violently then the police really would have a problem ! Do you deny that agent provocateurs are used by states ? So many unanswered questions and I do not condem the violence and will not until governments do so when the police act wrongly. Anyway thanks for the debate....now off for an MRI scan (on a Saturday! at James Paget)....the joys of the prostate, another thread maybe ! (Removal or rebore.....oh joy)
"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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