| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) 15:50 - Feb 7 with 7336 views | Keno |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 20:37 - Feb 7 with 1207 views | Binner |
(I haven't read pages two and three of this thread)
If Bercow is able to prevent the American charlatan from even more ego massaging then I'm glad.
As for the 'whataboutery' as exemplified by Stokie early on page 1; as arguments go it is weak and irrelevant. |  |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 20:51 - Feb 7 with 1175 views | eireblue |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 19:09 - Feb 7 by Illinoisblue |
one man's whataboutery is another man's highlighting of hypocrisy. |
Although, I think it can be argued there is a difference.
America, under Trump, could be perceived to be taking a backward step.
China, as an example, could be perceived as a country taking a forward step.
We are supposed to deal and trade with China and Middle East countries, e.g. by selling weapons, as a way to engage, and by using diplomacy, to help effect change.
So Trump goes on the naughty step, China gets a little reward.
Of course the other country Theresa was in a hurry to visit was Turkey, which is also taking backward steps vis-a-vis democracy, rule of law, LGBT etc, but she still wanted to make sure they had enough jet fighters and trade from the UK, after a few stern words of course.
All quite funny in a non-funny way really. |  | | |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 21:40 - Feb 7 with 1136 views | No9 |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 16:52 - Feb 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Trump coming to address either house was never on the table until Bercow made it an issue. |
As the speaker of the house he has a duty to make a point on behalf of parliament.
Why don't you take a real look at what TRmo & his cronies are doing? |  | | |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 21:48 - Feb 7 with 1118 views | No9 |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 18:20 - Feb 7 by StokieBlue |
It's a picture so it must be true!
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I can't find a compelling argument against that can you?
We all know about the Vatican
There is overwhelming evidence against the finacial services in the City of London
Who would argue the American try to control the world from Washington?
Ce'st la vie | | | |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 22:19 - Feb 7 with 1092 views | StokieBlue |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 20:37 - Feb 7 by Binner |
(I haven't read pages two and three of this thread)
If Bercow is able to prevent the American charlatan from even more ego massaging then I'm glad.
As for the 'whataboutery' as exemplified by Stokie early on page 1; as arguments go it is weak and irrelevant. |
I don't think it's whataboutery at all - the subject of the thread is a question on Bercow's actions and to highlight past actions is fully in context of answering the question.
Or should we not examine past actions when looking at the rights and wrongs of a subject like this?
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 22:32 - Feb 7 with 1081 views | Binner |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 22:19 - Feb 7 by StokieBlue |
I don't think it's whataboutery at all - the subject of the thread is a question on Bercow's actions and to highlight past actions is fully in context of answering the question.
Or should we not examine past actions when looking at the rights and wrongs of a subject like this?
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Whether earlier actions, by Bercow or previous Speakers, were right or wrong should have no bearing on this decision. It should be made on its own merits. | |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 10:52 - Feb 8 with 1007 views | The_Last_Baron |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 15:54 - Feb 7 by BlueBadger |
Frankly, there haven't been enough Speakers(Bercow included) willing to speak up about the various disgusting individuals that various Prime Minsters have seen fit to invite over the years. [Post edited 7 Feb 2017 16:05]
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The speakers in both the Common and Lords are supposed to be neutral. That's a viral part of the gig. If you don't understand that you are either thick, ignorant or both.
He should resign. |  |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 13:11 - Feb 8 with 956 views | WeWereZombies |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 10:52 - Feb 8 by The_Last_Baron |
The speakers in both the Common and Lords are supposed to be neutral. That's a viral part of the gig. If you don't understand that you are either thick, ignorant or both.
He should resign. |
Perhaps he thought May had been bullied into offering Trump a chance to speak to the House (and a state visit) and he was restoring neutrality, perhaps he thinks the offer has been made too hastily and is concerned that due process has not been served (to police this is part of his duties). Even though he is a Tory I don't think Bercow is particularly thick or ignorant, although he did unwittingly provide some light relief when it is reported he phoned up a Tory MP who has misbehaved in the HoC:
Bercow: 'I'm not happy'
MP: 'Oh, which one of the seven dwarfs are you then?' |  |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 15:45 - Feb 8 with 926 views | Binner |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 10:52 - Feb 8 by The_Last_Baron |
The speakers in both the Common and Lords are supposed to be neutral. That's a viral part of the gig. If you don't understand that you are either thick, ignorant or both.
He should resign. |
Firstly: Nobody is required to be neutral on matters of racism or misogyny (Bercow's stated reasons for not wanting to host Trump in our parliament).
Secondly: Your attitude stinks. Anybody who disagrees with you is "either thick, ignorant or both". You are obviously an AH. | |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 16:41 - Feb 8 with 896 views | GlasgowBlue |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 15:45 - Feb 8 by Binner |
Firstly: Nobody is required to be neutral on matters of racism or misogyny (Bercow's stated reasons for not wanting to host Trump in our parliament).
Secondly: Your attitude stinks. Anybody who disagrees with you is "either thick, ignorant or both". You are obviously an AH. |
Has former Monday Club member, Bercow, got rid of all his "Hang Mandela" T-Shirts? |  |
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| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 16:45 - Feb 8 with 880 views | Binner |
| John Bercow - right or wrong to say what he did about Trump? (n/t) on 16:41 - Feb 8 by GlasgowBlue |
Has former Monday Club member, Bercow, got rid of all his "Hang Mandela" T-Shirts? |
I've no idea. If I bump into him* I'll ask.
* = extremely unlikely... | |
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