| Understanding false flags.... 08:50 - Apr 12 with 2349 views | itfcjoe |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 10:24 - Apr 12 with 1634 views | Guthrum |
There have been a few known and well-attested false flag events used as purported pretexts for war in the modern era - the Mukden Incident in Manchuria, the attack on the radio station at Gleiwitz in 1939 and the supposed bombardment of Soviet territory prior to the Winter War.
They were on a very small scale, in out-of-the-way locations. All were, even at the time, seen through as palpably false. Only one resulted in any actual deaths, concentration camp prisoners murdered and dressed in Polish uniforms at Gleiwitz. All involved situations where there was no ongoing conflict at the time.
Two of them involved totalitarian governments not under scrutiny by public opinion or in the media. The Mukden Incident was not official government policy (indeed in direct opposition to it), but a plot by a number of belligerent junior army officers. |  |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 10:51 - Apr 12 with 1595 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Understanding false flags.... on 10:24 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
There have been a few known and well-attested false flag events used as purported pretexts for war in the modern era - the Mukden Incident in Manchuria, the attack on the radio station at Gleiwitz in 1939 and the supposed bombardment of Soviet territory prior to the Winter War.
They were on a very small scale, in out-of-the-way locations. All were, even at the time, seen through as palpably false. Only one resulted in any actual deaths, concentration camp prisoners murdered and dressed in Polish uniforms at Gleiwitz. All involved situations where there was no ongoing conflict at the time.
Two of them involved totalitarian governments not under scrutiny by public opinion or in the media. The Mukden Incident was not official government policy (indeed in direct opposition to it), but a plot by a number of belligerent junior army officers. |
A post of this nature without mentioning the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods seems to me like an effort to dismiss the concept of a false flag attack out of hand.
In reality, it presents an aggressor country the excuse to attack another country on trumped-up premises - often with the support of the people. False flags are difficult to prove because the evidence is usually lost and the winner writes the history anyway.
In short, it's the oldest and easiest trick in the book.
To dismiss such a motivation for starting a war as something that hardly ever happens or doesn't normally result in significant casualties does not allow for careful consideration of the possible and is very dangerous. |  |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 11:10 - Apr 12 with 1550 views | connorscontract |
| Understanding false flags.... on 10:51 - Apr 12 by caught-in-limbo |
A post of this nature without mentioning the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods seems to me like an effort to dismiss the concept of a false flag attack out of hand.
In reality, it presents an aggressor country the excuse to attack another country on trumped-up premises - often with the support of the people. False flags are difficult to prove because the evidence is usually lost and the winner writes the history anyway.
In short, it's the oldest and easiest trick in the book.
To dismiss such a motivation for starting a war as something that hardly ever happens or doesn't normally result in significant casualties does not allow for careful consideration of the possible and is very dangerous. |
And the Zinoviev letter, although not a military attack, was a false flag operation of which echoes still rumble today. |  | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 11:43 - Apr 12 with 1505 views | Guthrum |
| Understanding false flags.... on 10:51 - Apr 12 by caught-in-limbo |
A post of this nature without mentioning the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods seems to me like an effort to dismiss the concept of a false flag attack out of hand.
In reality, it presents an aggressor country the excuse to attack another country on trumped-up premises - often with the support of the people. False flags are difficult to prove because the evidence is usually lost and the winner writes the history anyway.
In short, it's the oldest and easiest trick in the book.
To dismiss such a motivation for starting a war as something that hardly ever happens or doesn't normally result in significant casualties does not allow for careful consideration of the possible and is very dangerous. |
The first Gulf of Tonkin incident quite possibly did happen (but probably not the second). In any case, it bears more resemblance to the Dogger Bank Incident than something deliberately arranged like Gleiwitz or Mukden.
Operation Northwoods was a plan never actually executed. Planning excercises cover all sorts of eventualities which are not under genuine political consideration.
A lot of evidence suggests the Reichstag fire probably was set by van der Lubbe, but exploited to the maximum by the Nazis as being very advantageous to themselves. | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 11:43 - Apr 12 with 1500 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 10:51 - Apr 12 by caught-in-limbo |
A post of this nature without mentioning the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and Operation Northwoods seems to me like an effort to dismiss the concept of a false flag attack out of hand.
In reality, it presents an aggressor country the excuse to attack another country on trumped-up premises - often with the support of the people. False flags are difficult to prove because the evidence is usually lost and the winner writes the history anyway.
In short, it's the oldest and easiest trick in the book.
To dismiss such a motivation for starting a war as something that hardly ever happens or doesn't normally result in significant casualties does not allow for careful consideration of the possible and is very dangerous. |
This tweet is hilarious!
<looks up Operation Northwoods>
Oh. F*ck. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 11:48 - Apr 12 with 1491 views | Guthrum |
| Understanding false flags.... on 11:10 - Apr 12 by connorscontract |
And the Zinoviev letter, although not a military attack, was a false flag operation of which echoes still rumble today. |
More in the category of press calumny than a false flag, in the sense that it had no official origin.
The anti-semitic forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was both more officially sanctioned and, arguably, had a larger impact (still forms a foundation of anti-Jewish beliefs today). | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:01 - Apr 12 with 1454 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 11:43 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
The first Gulf of Tonkin incident quite possibly did happen (but probably not the second). In any case, it bears more resemblance to the Dogger Bank Incident than something deliberately arranged like Gleiwitz or Mukden.
Operation Northwoods was a plan never actually executed. Planning excercises cover all sorts of eventualities which are not under genuine political consideration.
A lot of evidence suggests the Reichstag fire probably was set by van der Lubbe, but exploited to the maximum by the Nazis as being very advantageous to themselves. |
You're no Saul Goodman! | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:04 - Apr 12 with 1438 views | Mullet |
I love the fact that his opinions are in green crayon.
Accidental perfection or stunning self-awareness? |  |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:16 - Apr 12 with 1397 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:04 - Apr 12 by Mullet |
I love the fact that his opinions are in green crayon.
Accidental perfection or stunning self-awareness? |
Stunning hypocrisy. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:17 - Apr 12 with 1389 views | Mullet |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:16 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
Stunning hypocrisy. |
How does it make him a hypocrite? | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:26 - Apr 12 with 1360 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:17 - Apr 12 by Mullet |
How does it make him a hypocrite? |
By absolutely dismissing something and those that are open to it, whilst claiming that those who are open to it are the ones being dismissive.
And it's hard not to be open to it if you do your own research and look at all the specifics.
I'm sure everyone pissing their pants at that hilarious tweet has done the necessary research... | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:27 - Apr 12 with 1348 views | Steve_M |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:26 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
By absolutely dismissing something and those that are open to it, whilst claiming that those who are open to it are the ones being dismissive.
And it's hard not to be open to it if you do your own research and look at all the specifics.
I'm sure everyone pissing their pants at that hilarious tweet has done the necessary research... |
Ah, your footballing analysis starts to make a bit more sense. |  |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:31 - Apr 12 with 1331 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:27 - Apr 12 by Steve_M |
Ah, your footballing analysis starts to make a bit more sense. |
Have you researched Operation Northwoods?
Or are you just gonna accept Guthrum's vague notion as gospel?
False flag operations weren't concocted in a smokey room by beatniks - they're fully documented US Military practice. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:37 - Apr 12 with 1312 views | Mullet |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:26 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
By absolutely dismissing something and those that are open to it, whilst claiming that those who are open to it are the ones being dismissive.
And it's hard not to be open to it if you do your own research and look at all the specifics.
I'm sure everyone pissing their pants at that hilarious tweet has done the necessary research... |
I don't follow. Can you be a bit more vague and self-righteous please? | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:43 - Apr 12 with 1291 views | Guthrum |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:31 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
Have you researched Operation Northwoods?
Or are you just gonna accept Guthrum's vague notion as gospel?
False flag operations weren't concocted in a smokey room by beatniks - they're fully documented US Military practice. |
Have you ever heard of Operation Unthinkable?
It was a contingency plan for an offensive war against the Soviets in 1945. The name was deliberately chosen, being a politically "unthinkable" thing at the time. It was filed and never carried out.
But, in planning, all eventualities and possibilities have to be covered. There's nothing worse than having a situation arise suddenly and not even the draft of a plan to hand (see: Brexit). | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:48 - Apr 12 with 1278 views | Plums |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:43 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
Have you ever heard of Operation Unthinkable?
It was a contingency plan for an offensive war against the Soviets in 1945. The name was deliberately chosen, being a politically "unthinkable" thing at the time. It was filed and never carried out.
But, in planning, all eventualities and possibilities have to be covered. There's nothing worse than having a situation arise suddenly and not even the draft of a plan to hand (see: Brexit). |
Unless I'm mistaken, Gen Patton didn't find it unthinkable at all. |  |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 12:53 - Apr 12 with 1251 views | feelingblue |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:31 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
Have you researched Operation Northwoods?
Or are you just gonna accept Guthrum's vague notion as gospel?
False flag operations weren't concocted in a smokey room by beatniks - they're fully documented US Military practice. |
No, they are fully documented US military plans.
As for 'practice', whether they ever get carried out or not is up for discussion/examination. |  | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:55 - Apr 12 with 1244 views | Guthrum |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:48 - Apr 12 by Plums |
Unless I'm mistaken, Gen Patton didn't find it unthinkable at all. |
Patton was a bit of a headbanger. Which is why Eisenhower kept him on a short leash.
Good commander of offensive armoured operations, but certainly not part of any political decisionmaking process. [Post edited 12 Apr 2017 12:58]
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| Understanding false flags.... on 13:03 - Apr 12 with 1229 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:53 - Apr 12 by feelingblue |
No, they are fully documented US military plans.
As for 'practice', whether they ever get carried out or not is up for discussion/examination. |
The gulf of Tonkin was carried out, and millions of people were killed.
Considering Vietnam was a "success", I highly doubt that they've not used the same tactic since.
Thanks for being mature. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:07 - Apr 12 with 1221 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:43 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
Have you ever heard of Operation Unthinkable?
It was a contingency plan for an offensive war against the Soviets in 1945. The name was deliberately chosen, being a politically "unthinkable" thing at the time. It was filed and never carried out.
But, in planning, all eventualities and possibilities have to be covered. There's nothing worse than having a situation arise suddenly and not even the draft of a plan to hand (see: Brexit). |
That was 2 years before the CIA were formed, so it may have been unthinkable back then.
But not since. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:09 - Apr 12 with 1213 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 12:37 - Apr 12 by Mullet |
I don't follow. Can you be a bit more vague and self-righteous please? |
Teach me. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:15 - Apr 12 with 1205 views | Guthrum |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:07 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
That was 2 years before the CIA were formed, so it may have been unthinkable back then.
But not since. |
But 36 years after MI6 - Unthinkable was a British plan. Doubtless the Soviets and the USA also had similar contingencies. That's what military planners do. | |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 13:36 - Apr 12 with 1185 views | lowhouseblue |
| Understanding false flags.... on 10:24 - Apr 12 by Guthrum |
There have been a few known and well-attested false flag events used as purported pretexts for war in the modern era - the Mukden Incident in Manchuria, the attack on the radio station at Gleiwitz in 1939 and the supposed bombardment of Soviet territory prior to the Winter War.
They were on a very small scale, in out-of-the-way locations. All were, even at the time, seen through as palpably false. Only one resulted in any actual deaths, concentration camp prisoners murdered and dressed in Polish uniforms at Gleiwitz. All involved situations where there was no ongoing conflict at the time.
Two of them involved totalitarian governments not under scrutiny by public opinion or in the media. The Mukden Incident was not official government policy (indeed in direct opposition to it), but a plot by a number of belligerent junior army officers. |
one of the earliest false flags must be the fundamentalist christian explanation for dinosaurs and fossils - god put them there to test their faith. since then it has become the argument of choice for every fantasist, nut job, and apologist for the russian state and her dictator allies. it is a pre-enlightenment triumph of faith over evidence. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Understanding false flags.... on 13:59 - Apr 12 with 1131 views | feelingblue |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:03 - Apr 12 by ClausThomsen |
The gulf of Tonkin was carried out, and millions of people were killed.
Considering Vietnam was a "success", I highly doubt that they've not used the same tactic since.
Thanks for being mature. |
It is, at best, debatable if the first Tonkin incident was a false flag, the incident definitely took place, although who fired first is up for question.
It is also debatable whether it contributed anything much to the number of people who were killed in the Vietnam War. All it did was 'legitimise' something which was happening anyway. | | | |
| Understanding false flags.... on 14:36 - Apr 12 with 1088 views | ClausThomsen |
| Understanding false flags.... on 13:59 - Apr 12 by feelingblue |
It is, at best, debatable if the first Tonkin incident was a false flag, the incident definitely took place, although who fired first is up for question.
It is also debatable whether it contributed anything much to the number of people who were killed in the Vietnam War. All it did was 'legitimise' something which was happening anyway. |
There's no justification for mass murder whatsoever.
War is a racket, it makes a fortune for the people loaning out the money and bagging the contracts. World War 1 gave us our first millionaires, World War 2 our first billionaires.
This should be the most important dynamic to the whole thing to anyone looking at it - but it's almost completely omitted from the public arena.
And if you point it out anything outside the public arena then you're straight on the ridicule heap - as shown in the hilarious OP. Meanwhile, the mass murder carries on as planned, and in the minds of the public, it's justified.
Will we ever change? | | | |
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