| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm 18:48 - Apr 23 with 6324 views | ElderGrizzly |
We'll see how swivel-eyed the French have really gone
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:34 - Apr 23 with 752 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:32 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
Nige isn't happy...
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You have to admit that this has been a concerted effort by the Eurocratic establishment in France.
Macron wouldn't have stood if there was a credible Socialist or Conservative candidate to oppose Le Pen. |  |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:36 - Apr 23 with 744 views | BlueBadger |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:32 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
Nige isn't happy...
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True patriotism from Nige there, supporting the foreign nazi. |  |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:43 - Apr 23 with 730 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:36 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
True patriotism from Nige there, supporting the foreign nazi. |
Far too simplistic badger. Has he endorsed LaPen?
Le Pen is the leader of a vile racist party. I wouldn't endorse her in any way whatsoever. But I can see very clearly that Macron is a fabricated candidate who was produced to save France's membership of the EU. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:43 - Apr 23 with 726 views | Guthrum |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 20:45 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
It's switched round...
Turnout nearly 80% [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 20:47]
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Guardian latest (actual, 22 Departements counted from 107, Macron (22.34%) and Le Pen (22.28%) neck-and-neck. |  |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:44 - Apr 23 with 722 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:43 - Apr 23 by Guthrum |
Guardian latest (actual, 22 Departements counted from 107, Macron (22.34%) and Le Pen (22.28%) neck-and-neck. |
It's irreverent really. She has no chance in the second round. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:46 - Apr 23 with 715 views | Guthrum |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:44 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
It's irreverent really. She has no chance in the second round. |
As I said in an earlier post, I expect most of the Left and the centre-right to get behind Macron to keep Le Pen out in the second round. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:51 - Apr 23 with 704 views | BlueBadger |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:43 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Far too simplistic badger. Has he endorsed LaPen?
Le Pen is the leader of a vile racist party. I wouldn't endorse her in any way whatsoever. But I can see very clearly that Macron is a fabricated candidate who was produced to save France's membership of the EU. |
Blimey Glassers, you're actually managing to sound as mad as Archer here. I almost expected you to blame the media here. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:52 - Apr 23 with 698 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:46 - Apr 23 by Guthrum |
As I said in an earlier post, I expect most of the Left and the centre-right to get behind Macron to keep Le Pen out in the second round. |
Le Pen has tried to detoxify her father;s party, inasmuch as you can detoxify a racist party. If she doesn't perform well in the second round I would imagine the National Front will move further to the extreme right, as Labour has gone in the opposite direction here after the election defeat, under the leadership of her niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, who is a very nasty piece of work. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:55 - Apr 23 with 691 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:51 - Apr 23 by BlueBadger |
Blimey Glassers, you're actually managing to sound as mad as Archer here. I almost expected you to blame the media here. |
I'm sounding more like CIL actually, However .......
1. Did Farage endorse LePen in the link that was posted?
2. What part of my assessment of Macron's sudden emergence is incorrect and what do you have to challenge my view?
edit. Sorry mate. I know you don't normally do detailed analysis but you did dip your toe into the water on this thread. [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 21:56]
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:56 - Apr 23 with 684 views | ElderGrizzly |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:55 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm sounding more like CIL actually, However .......
1. Did Farage endorse LePen in the link that was posted?
2. What part of my assessment of Macron's sudden emergence is incorrect and what do you have to challenge my view?
edit. Sorry mate. I know you don't normally do detailed analysis but you did dip your toe into the water on this thread. [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 21:56]
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No, but he RT'd this soon after. So by association/implication he is i guess
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:57 - Apr 23 with 683 views | Guthrum |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:52 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Le Pen has tried to detoxify her father;s party, inasmuch as you can detoxify a racist party. If she doesn't perform well in the second round I would imagine the National Front will move further to the extreme right, as Labour has gone in the opposite direction here after the election defeat, under the leadership of her niece, Marion Maréchal-Le Pen, who is a very nasty piece of work. |
Quite possibly so.
I see AfD in Germany are fragmenting and losing support under pressure from their more hard-right (even openly Nazi-admiring) elements, who are trying to stage an internal coup. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:58 - Apr 23 with 679 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:57 - Apr 23 by Guthrum |
Quite possibly so.
I see AfD in Germany are fragmenting and losing support under pressure from their more hard-right (even openly Nazi-admiring) elements, who are trying to stage an internal coup. |
AfD are doing a UKip before they have really got off the ground. They need a Farage like figure to hold them together but the seem to have more of a Nick Griffin. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 with 675 views | Guthrum |
A third of Departements returned, and there are signs that Mélenchon is catching Le Pen, while Macron draws ahead. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 with 670 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 21:56 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
No, but he RT'd this soon after. So by association/implication he is i guess
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My point is that you don't have to be a swivel eyed loony to see that Macron is very much a fabricated candidate to tick all of the right boxes by the EU. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:01 - Apr 23 with 668 views | ElderGrizzly |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 by Guthrum |
A third of Departements returned, and there are signs that Mélenchon is catching Le Pen, while Macron draws ahead. |
Fairly sure i watched a news conference with him earlier where he endorsed Macron. As did Fillon. | | | |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:03 - Apr 23 with 662 views | ElderGrizzly |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
My point is that you don't have to be a swivel eyed loony to see that Macron is very much a fabricated candidate to tick all of the right boxes by the EU. |
If it's a choice of Macron or Le Pen, you'd pick Macron everytime.
It's a good result for Europe and the wider world. | | | |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:03 - Apr 23 with 664 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 by Guthrum |
A third of Departements returned, and there are signs that Mélenchon is catching Le Pen, while Macron draws ahead. |
Blimey. Melenchon wants full withdrawal from the EU and he doesn't have the racist baggage of LePen.
If he got through with Machron and Le Pen tells her voters to back him then we could have a very interesting second round. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:05 - Apr 23 with 655 views | Guthrum |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:03 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Blimey. Melenchon wants full withdrawal from the EU and he doesn't have the racist baggage of LePen.
If he got through with Machron and Le Pen tells her voters to back him then we could have a very interesting second round. |
Few more results and she's pulled ahead a couple of percentage points again. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:05 - Apr 23 with 650 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:03 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
If it's a choice of Macron or Le Pen, you'd pick Macron everytime.
It's a good result for Europe and the wider world. |
Yes, I haven't suggested otherwise. In fact I made my thoughts on the National Front very clear.
That doesn't change any of what I said regarding Machron and his "new" party's sudden appearance. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:06 - Apr 23 with 643 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:01 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
Fairly sure i watched a news conference with him earlier where he endorsed Macron. As did Fillon. |
I don't think Mélenchon endorsed any of the other candidates yet. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:07 - Apr 23 with 638 views | ElderGrizzly |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:05 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
Yes, I haven't suggested otherwise. In fact I made my thoughts on the National Front very clear.
That doesn't change any of what I said regarding Machron and his "new" party's sudden appearance. |
Not disagreeing with you on that. My post was just highlighting that Farage has effectively endorsed Le Pen which was being glossed over
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:11 - Apr 23 with 621 views | GlasgowBlue |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:07 - Apr 23 by ElderGrizzly |
Not disagreeing with you on that. My post was just highlighting that Farage has effectively endorsed Le Pen which was being glossed over
Melenchon has conceded according to Sky |
Yes. Forget Farage. He is an irrelevence.
Do you agree that Macron was invented because the two main parties are in disarray and he was seen by the Eurocratic French establishment as the only hope of keeping France in the EU?
Both the far left and far right are running on Frexit.
Edit Mélenchon has conceded but not put his name behind any candidate yet. [Post edited 23 Apr 2017 22:11]
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:11 - Apr 23 with 614 views | Guthrum |
| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:00 - Apr 23 by GlasgowBlue |
My point is that you don't have to be a swivel eyed loony to see that Macron is very much a fabricated candidate to tick all of the right boxes by the EU. |
I see him more as a Trudeau-flavoured, youthful, not conforming to traditional archetypes, Third Way candidate. There was space in the political landscape for such, especially in France, where some of the old major parties have taken a hammering in recent elections. | |
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| French 'exit poll' due at 7pm on 22:19 - Apr 23 with 603 views | Guthrum |
He wasn't in Hollande's party for long.
Besides which, if his views are popular in France - he's leading the vote at the moment. Hollande, on the other hand, was so hugely unpopular he daren't stand again. | |
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