| Tommy Robinson 15:53 - May 27 with 51432 views | noggin |
I can't do links but
News coming from America of a double murder on a train. Apparently two people have been murdered on a train, for defending a muslim. The muslim was ordered off the train and the two samaritans had their throats cut.
Tweet from Tommy Robinson "The religion of peace again" He's not just a nasty racist, he's stupid too. |  |
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| Tommy Robinson on 14:36 - May 29 with 3640 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tommy Robinson on 14:21 - May 29 by crunchie1978 |
Well you entitled to your view as I am mine...12 years since 7/7 and it's getting worse...our security forces do an amazing job but what I'm saying is they should be allowed to do whatever it takes in order to keep us safe....regardless of whom it may offend. |
Within the law they are allowed to do whatever it takes. They even have special anti-terrorist legislation and fairly sweeping extra powers for identified suspects.
But essentially you seem to be saying that we should defend our liberties and our children's liberties by giving them up? And probably risking even more extremists emerging anyway?
Forgive me but that's a downright stupid response to the current situation. I can understand the frustration and desire to do something else but these are the times when you need to take the right approach to minimize the real threat rather than create a bigger problem because you want to take action, no matter what.
Did you live through the IRA and Loyalist terrorism threat? Actually, a far more dangerous time for all of us in the UK. Look at how that was finally resolved. Look at how the potentially explosive tension in South Africa was defused. Of course, that's if you really want to do something to reduce the threat to our children. |  |
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| Tommy Robinson on 14:36 - May 29 with 3640 views | J2BLUE |
| Tommy Robinson on 14:34 - May 29 by crunchie1978 |
Yes I whole heartily agree they are but I'm sure that in some respects their hands are tied.
I'd say the delibrate targeting of young children at that concert is it getting worse. |
Is the case the same in the US where shooters target schools? |  |
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| Tommy Robinson on 13:36 - May 29 by J2BLUE |
You're going to end up in his signature... |
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| Tommy Robinson on 14:47 - May 29 with 3599 views | crunchie1978 |
| Tommy Robinson on 14:36 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
Within the law they are allowed to do whatever it takes. They even have special anti-terrorist legislation and fairly sweeping extra powers for identified suspects.
But essentially you seem to be saying that we should defend our liberties and our children's liberties by giving them up? And probably risking even more extremists emerging anyway?
Forgive me but that's a downright stupid response to the current situation. I can understand the frustration and desire to do something else but these are the times when you need to take the right approach to minimize the real threat rather than create a bigger problem because you want to take action, no matter what.
Did you live through the IRA and Loyalist terrorism threat? Actually, a far more dangerous time for all of us in the UK. Look at how that was finally resolved. Look at how the potentially explosive tension in South Africa was defused. Of course, that's if you really want to do something to reduce the threat to our children. |
They finally went to the table....do you think western governments could get isis to do the same...if so I'm totally for a peaceful resolve to this matter...im sorry I can't can't see it. | | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 14:53 - May 29 with 3581 views | The_Romford_Blue |
That has been his signature for over a year now I think |  |
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| Tommy Robinson on 14:53 - May 29 by The_Romford_Blue |
That has been his signature for over a year now I think |
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| Tommy Robinson on 15:33 - May 29 with 3521 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tommy Robinson on 14:47 - May 29 by crunchie1978 |
They finally went to the table....do you think western governments could get isis to do the same...if so I'm totally for a peaceful resolve to this matter...im sorry I can't can't see it. |
ISIS won't negotiate but you instead appeal to the support, the recruits, our British jihadists and the wider muslim community by recognizing and reconciling that a) we haven't done a great job in the Middle East and we need to improve, b) we really do have a view of modern Britain that allows for different cultures and religions and c) we need to do more for all the disenfranchised and under-represented in the UK.
All major, slow and "boring" steps that will not only make less of a breeding ground for extremism but make the UK a better place for all of us. | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 15:57 - May 29 with 3492 views | Herbivore |
| Tommy Robinson on 13:30 - May 29 by crunchie1978 |
What attroicty would it take to change your view? |
I'm not sure what to make of that question. You don't know what my position is and you're desperately avoiding explicitly stating your own position, instead making very vague statements about wanting to stop terrorism and taking action. I think that's what everyone wants, however you seem to want a radical solution but aren't prepared to own that. |  |
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| Tommy Robinson on 17:03 - May 29 with 3432 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Tommy Robinson on 15:33 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
ISIS won't negotiate but you instead appeal to the support, the recruits, our British jihadists and the wider muslim community by recognizing and reconciling that a) we haven't done a great job in the Middle East and we need to improve, b) we really do have a view of modern Britain that allows for different cultures and religions and c) we need to do more for all the disenfranchised and under-represented in the UK.
All major, slow and "boring" steps that will not only make less of a breeding ground for extremism but make the UK a better place for all of us. |
That's all meaningless unless you can say exactly what you would do to achieve each point. |  | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 20:11 - May 29 with 3363 views | HARRY10 |
| Tommy Robinson on 17:03 - May 29 by FrowsyArmLarry |
That's all meaningless unless you can say exactly what you would do to achieve each point. |
Or maybe deal with those funding ISIS, a more importantly why.
What ISIS have shown is that stupidity is not confined to one country, or one continent as many on here have shown.
Fire up a load of gullible fools with 'fairy' stories from some book and allow them unrestricted behaviour and this is what happens. It happened in Spain '36-39, in much of Europe in '39-45.
Humans have a capacity for a wide range of behaviour. Remove the constraints (be they judicial or social) and all manner of horrors are possible. Read Lord of the Flies.
Deal with the cause, not the effects. | | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 21:14 - May 29 with 3308 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tommy Robinson on 17:03 - May 29 by FrowsyArmLarry |
That's all meaningless unless you can say exactly what you would do to achieve each point. |
A) we haven't done a great job in the Middle East and we need to improve,
We need to stop playing power games in the Middle East and looking after our own interests while talking about trying to help. To that end we need to impose sanctions on Israel as we've done to Arab nations and we need to stop selling weaponry and turning a blind eye to human rights violations in Saudi Arabia. Not to mention put pressure on the Saudis to stop the funding of Wahhabist extremism. Most of all we need to stay out whenever the outcome is unclear. We need to be peace-makers rather than players.
B) we really do have a view of modern Britain that allows for different cultures and religions
I'm Scottish and I don't feel that strongly a part of Britain, its heritage and where it's heading. God knows how second- and third-generation immigrants feel. Whatever Britain is going forward we need to have a much clearer and more realistic view of of who we are and where we fit in. Limping along on the whiff of Empire and defeating the Nazis doesn't cut it. And we need politicians and pundits who are brave enough to admit that we have something of an identity crisis. Certainly an identity that needs to be discussed and rewritten for the UK and the world in the 21st century.
C) we need to do more for all the disenfranchised and under-represented in the UK
We have moved to a society where opportunity is seen as the great cure-all for all our problems. That's fine if we were all starting out from the same place - but we're not. We need more spending on social welfare, health and education to ensure that everyone feels that they are prioritized by society. At present, we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people, who happen to make up the bulk of the electorate. It's time to show those on the fringes of society that they are a priority. F@ck the feel-good narcissism of the Olympics or similar, a society can only really be proud of itself based on how it takes care of those who are in most need.
Whether these measures are the best, I don't know but that's my opinion. And you'll notice that lots of it is actually about how we talk about Britain and stop trying to cosy up to the middle-England, middle-class on every question. The social spending will be covered by not wasting money on abortive military actions. [Post edited 29 May 2017 21:35]
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| Tommy Robinson on 00:42 - May 30 with 3242 views | ANNA3ROA |
| Tommy Robinson on 12:29 - May 29 by crunchie1978 |
I've just watched that clip again....he doesn't say he blames the entire Muslim population...in fact there was a Muslim standing next to him who agrees with him. |
You are correct I saw Tommy Robinson Video of Luton on youtube Oxford Uni Speech a girl being attacked by Muslim mob for not being covered up in full veil what has the UK become. |  | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 05:24 - May 30 with 3194 views | Benters |
| Tommy Robinson on 00:42 - May 30 by ANNA3ROA |
You are correct I saw Tommy Robinson Video of Luton on youtube Oxford Uni Speech a girl being attacked by Muslim mob for not being covered up in full veil what has the UK become. |
Really ?
The only bad vid ive seen of Luton was the 'Radical Muslims' pissing on the soldiers home coming parade,you know the soldiers of our once great country fighting for Queen and country.
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| Tommy Robinson on 06:21 - May 30 with 3165 views | imsureazzure |
| Tommy Robinson on 21:14 - May 29 by Darth_Koont |
A) we haven't done a great job in the Middle East and we need to improve,
We need to stop playing power games in the Middle East and looking after our own interests while talking about trying to help. To that end we need to impose sanctions on Israel as we've done to Arab nations and we need to stop selling weaponry and turning a blind eye to human rights violations in Saudi Arabia. Not to mention put pressure on the Saudis to stop the funding of Wahhabist extremism. Most of all we need to stay out whenever the outcome is unclear. We need to be peace-makers rather than players.
B) we really do have a view of modern Britain that allows for different cultures and religions
I'm Scottish and I don't feel that strongly a part of Britain, its heritage and where it's heading. God knows how second- and third-generation immigrants feel. Whatever Britain is going forward we need to have a much clearer and more realistic view of of who we are and where we fit in. Limping along on the whiff of Empire and defeating the Nazis doesn't cut it. And we need politicians and pundits who are brave enough to admit that we have something of an identity crisis. Certainly an identity that needs to be discussed and rewritten for the UK and the world in the 21st century.
C) we need to do more for all the disenfranchised and under-represented in the UK
We have moved to a society where opportunity is seen as the great cure-all for all our problems. That's fine if we were all starting out from the same place - but we're not. We need more spending on social welfare, health and education to ensure that everyone feels that they are prioritized by society. At present, we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people, who happen to make up the bulk of the electorate. It's time to show those on the fringes of society that they are a priority. F@ck the feel-good narcissism of the Olympics or similar, a society can only really be proud of itself based on how it takes care of those who are in most need.
Whether these measures are the best, I don't know but that's my opinion. And you'll notice that lots of it is actually about how we talk about Britain and stop trying to cosy up to the middle-England, middle-class on every question. The social spending will be covered by not wasting money on abortive military actions. [Post edited 29 May 2017 21:35]
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"we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people"
The system does not reward these groups, the reward is earnt by these groups. |  | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:33 - May 30 with 3148 views | Benters |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:21 - May 30 by imsureazzure |
"we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people"
The system does not reward these groups, the reward is earnt by these groups. |
I thought it was a load of waffle also. | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 06:46 - May 30 with 3133 views | noggin |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:21 - May 30 by imsureazzure |
"we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people"
The system does not reward these groups, the reward is earnt by these groups. |
So a black kid, growing up on the Aylesbury Estate in London, has equal oportunities to a white kid from a mews in Amersham?
- Other addresses are available. [Post edited 30 May 2017 6:49]
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| Tommy Robinson on 06:33 - May 30 by Benters |
I thought it was a load of waffle also. |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:16 - May 30 with 3104 views | Benters |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:46 - May 30 by noggin |
So a black kid, growing up on the Aylesbury Estate in London, has equal oportunities to a white kid from a mews in Amersham?
- Other addresses are available. [Post edited 30 May 2017 6:49]
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He has the same its how he decides to life his life thats the difference.
Talking of which that reminds me,i still havent got my school leaving certificate ! | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:17 - May 30 with 3101 views | Benters |
what does that even mean? | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:17 - May 30 by Benters |
what does that even mean? |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:32 - May 30 with 3070 views | Herbivore |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:21 - May 30 by imsureazzure |
"we have a system that primarily rewards white. middle-class and/or educated people"
The system does not reward these groups, the reward is earnt by these groups. |
Yeah that's just not true though. | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:32 - May 30 with 3067 views | imsureazzure |
| Tommy Robinson on 06:46 - May 30 by noggin |
So a black kid, growing up on the Aylesbury Estate in London, has equal oportunities to a white kid from a mews in Amersham?
- Other addresses are available. [Post edited 30 May 2017 6:49]
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They certainly have the same access to everything offered by the state, which is what my post was replying to.
In fact the education financial pot is bigger for London areas than in Suffolk. | | | |
| Tommy Robinson on 07:33 - May 30 with 3059 views | Herbivore |
| Tommy Robinson on 07:16 - May 30 by Benters |
He has the same its how he decides to life his life thats the difference.
Talking of which that reminds me,i still havent got my school leaving certificate ! |
That first sentence is utter nonsense. I'm amazed people still buy that bullish!t in the 21st century. There's plenty of good quality research into inequality and the lack of social mobility in the UK. | |
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| Tommy Robinson on 07:43 - May 30 with 3043 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Tommy Robinson on 07:16 - May 30 by Benters |
He has the same its how he decides to life his life thats the difference.
Talking of which that reminds me,i still havent got my school leaving certificate ! |
I have to disagree
If Theresa May was born in Romford and was black, she would not be the prime minster right now. But because she's a privately schooled white girl from a posh place, she's granted the OPPORTUNITY to get into politics and then into parliament before eventually becoming PM. | |
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