| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... 09:42 - Mar 2 with 5489 views | unstableblue |
...she's a right wing loon
With an entrenched anti-lockdown stance
(Don't get me wrong the cost/risk/benefit trade off for Lock-Down was probably well off the mark, but the government had to be risk averse at the time, you'd want them to be)
Amazed how many sensible people and wider media are getting sucked into here point of view.
Disappointed a little in Newsnight last night - an Oakeshott colleague was using the Hancock whatsapp to promote the Telegraph narrative, and a well informed scientist was painting the true picture of the time, calling out some of the statements, and I'm not sure she was given enough space to get the counter view across. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 09:47 - Mar 2 with 3521 views | StokieBlue |
It's understandable.
It was obviously a tough time for everyone and many people are looking at it from the current context when things are hugely different to what they were when the decisions were being made.
The narrative that covid is just a cold and was never a threat is the one being pushed now because due to vaccines the context has changed when in reality, people should look at the images from Italy in Feb 2020 to remember what the context was at the time these decisions were being made.
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:03 - Mar 2 with 3453 views | Josebadleg |
Was she the journo who released the Cameron pig story? |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:07 - Mar 2 with 3443 views | EdwardStone |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:03 - Mar 2 by Josebadleg |
Was she the journo who released the Cameron pig story? |
Oink oink....
Yes she was
And the Huhn/Pryce speeding points saga
She has a rich vein of form for such betrayals....all in the public interest of course |  | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:17 - Mar 2 with 3362 views | giant_stow |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:07 - Mar 2 by EdwardStone |
Oink oink....
Yes she was
And the Huhn/Pryce speeding points saga
She has a rich vein of form for such betrayals....all in the public interest of course |
The Guardian pointed out that she even dicked her employer Murdoch by giving it to the Telegraph and not the Times. I don't know whey anyone would go near her. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:26 - Mar 2 with 3310 views | davblue |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 09:47 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
It's understandable.
It was obviously a tough time for everyone and many people are looking at it from the current context when things are hugely different to what they were when the decisions were being made.
The narrative that covid is just a cold and was never a threat is the one being pushed now because due to vaccines the context has changed when in reality, people should look at the images from Italy in Feb 2020 to remember what the context was at the time these decisions were being made.
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There were so many unknowns at the time i can understand and appreciate why we were put in lockdown. The hindsight thing isn't really a point imo as whatever the government done at that time would have been criticized. Im no tory fan but im not sure what else they could have done at that point.
It was crazy times, being allowed out for 1 hour a day looking back was incredible. |  | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:35 - Mar 2 with 3258 views | EastTownBlue |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:07 - Mar 2 by EdwardStone |
Oink oink....
Yes she was
And the Huhn/Pryce speeding points saga
She has a rich vein of form for such betrayals....all in the public interest of course |
Which makes Hancock a bigger fool than we already thought. |  | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:38 - Mar 2 with 3247 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:26 - Mar 2 by davblue |
There were so many unknowns at the time i can understand and appreciate why we were put in lockdown. The hindsight thing isn't really a point imo as whatever the government done at that time would have been criticized. Im no tory fan but im not sure what else they could have done at that point.
It was crazy times, being allowed out for 1 hour a day looking back was incredible. |
Hindsight is definitely a thing because there is a certain element determined to rewrite the historical narrative around covid and the context at the time in March 2020.
This is aside from any Tory decision making, the effort is clear to see even on here that some are using the present context to change what they believe and want others to believe the situation was in March 2020.
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:42 - Mar 2 with 3217 views | Kievthegreat |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:07 - Mar 2 by EdwardStone |
Oink oink....
Yes she was
And the Huhn/Pryce speeding points saga
She has a rich vein of form for such betrayals....all in the public interest of course |
I also recall her complaining about Carole Cadwalladr because Carole was publishing a load of Arron Banks emails showing contacts with Russian officials in the run up to the Brexit vote. Oakeshott had them as she was writing a book for them and claimed Carole got them as a result of a hack. Apparently public interest wasn't a thing then... |  | | |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:45 - Mar 2 with 3183 views | Sarge |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:26 - Mar 2 by davblue |
There were so many unknowns at the time i can understand and appreciate why we were put in lockdown. The hindsight thing isn't really a point imo as whatever the government done at that time would have been criticized. Im no tory fan but im not sure what else they could have done at that point.
It was crazy times, being allowed out for 1 hour a day looking back was incredible. |
You don’t need to look back to remember the “1 hour outside a day” or “1 walk a day” thing being nonsense. It was rightly called out as such by many at the time, and I’m not sure if it was actually ever a real policy was it? Possibly something Michael Gove mentioned and people ran with it. | | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:48 - Mar 2 with 3154 views | Pinewoodblue |
The fact that he involved her underlined his lack of judgement. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 11:14 - Mar 2 with 3020 views | hoppy |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:45 - Mar 2 by Sarge |
You don’t need to look back to remember the “1 hour outside a day” or “1 walk a day” thing being nonsense. It was rightly called out as such by many at the time, and I’m not sure if it was actually ever a real policy was it? Possibly something Michael Gove mentioned and people ran with it. |
...or walked with it. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:00 - Mar 2 with 2893 views | Sarge |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 11:14 - Mar 2 by hoppy |
...or walked with it. |
Yes but only once a day and don’t you dare think about sitting on a bench for 5 minutes partway through, unless you want to risk a £10k fine and a lifetime of being branded a ‘CoViDiOt’ | | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:25 - Mar 2 with 2817 views | Herbivore |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 10:42 - Mar 2 by Kievthegreat |
I also recall her complaining about Carole Cadwalladr because Carole was publishing a load of Arron Banks emails showing contacts with Russian officials in the run up to the Brexit vote. Oakeshott had them as she was writing a book for them and claimed Carole got them as a result of a hack. Apparently public interest wasn't a thing then... |
Public interest also wasn't a thing when she got the messages in the first place and was being paid handsomely to write a rehabilitating memoir for him. I can't imagine she's gifted these to the Telegraph for free. She's one of the cabal of super grifters that have infected our media and wider society. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:47 - Mar 2 with 2732 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 09:47 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
It's understandable.
It was obviously a tough time for everyone and many people are looking at it from the current context when things are hugely different to what they were when the decisions were being made.
The narrative that covid is just a cold and was never a threat is the one being pushed now because due to vaccines the context has changed when in reality, people should look at the images from Italy in Feb 2020 to remember what the context was at the time these decisions were being made.
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Is the current context really changed by vaccines or more by a less virulent virus.
Oakenshott cares more about herself than anything else. An awful human being. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:05 - Mar 2 with 2662 views | jaykay |
i get what you are saying. she is the new cummings.
two things thou what sort of dick head gives all his what apps to the partner of the leader of the reform party. also its not just his messengers he shared with her but other peoples. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:09 - Mar 2 with 2642 views | Plums |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:25 - Mar 2 by Herbivore |
Public interest also wasn't a thing when she got the messages in the first place and was being paid handsomely to write a rehabilitating memoir for him. I can't imagine she's gifted these to the Telegraph for free. She's one of the cabal of super grifters that have infected our media and wider society. |
I may be wrong here but I thought she wasn't paid for the memoir which has subsequently tanked so she's got her payout from the Torygraph instead of the royalties from the book?
She's one of the Tufton St foghorns that's led to the catastrophic demise of this country since 2012 so deserves no credit whatsoever - for anything. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:36 - Mar 2 with 2575 views | StokieBlue |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:47 - Mar 2 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is the current context really changed by vaccines or more by a less virulent virus.
Oakenshott cares more about herself than anything else. An awful human being. |
It's a myth that Omicron is less virulent, it's approximately the same as the original C19 strain which emerged in Wuhan so whilst it's nowhere near as bad as Delta it's still not nice at all for anyone without any immunity be it natural or vaccine based.
Where we are now is a result of vaccine and natural immunity and a less potent strain than we had when Delta was around. Vaccines have definitely changed the context entirely. If Omicron had emerged now with no vaccines as a novel virus things would be bad - probably not as bad as they were as it affects the lungs less but still very bad.
Totally agree on Oakenshott.
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:43 - Mar 2 with 2536 views | Ryorry |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:36 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
It's a myth that Omicron is less virulent, it's approximately the same as the original C19 strain which emerged in Wuhan so whilst it's nowhere near as bad as Delta it's still not nice at all for anyone without any immunity be it natural or vaccine based.
Where we are now is a result of vaccine and natural immunity and a less potent strain than we had when Delta was around. Vaccines have definitely changed the context entirely. If Omicron had emerged now with no vaccines as a novel virus things would be bad - probably not as bad as they were as it affects the lungs less but still very bad.
Totally agree on Oakenshott.
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Worth adding that (iirc), Omicron particularly attacks the upper respiratory tract, so is especially dangerous for the unfortunately large number of people who have chronic bronchitis and other respiratory conditions. |  |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:45 - Mar 2 with 2510 views | jaykay |
there was a great video of hancock not long ago. not sure if it was done by led by donkeys.
forgive the facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1528057891044444 | |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 15:19 - Mar 2 with 2339 views | Herbivore |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 12:00 - Mar 2 by Sarge |
Yes but only once a day and don’t you dare think about sitting on a bench for 5 minutes partway through, unless you want to risk a £10k fine and a lifetime of being branded a ‘CoViDiOt’ |
How many people were fined £10k for sitting on a bench for 5 minutes during lockdown? | |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 18:13 - Mar 2 with 2156 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 13:36 - Mar 2 by StokieBlue |
It's a myth that Omicron is less virulent, it's approximately the same as the original C19 strain which emerged in Wuhan so whilst it's nowhere near as bad as Delta it's still not nice at all for anyone without any immunity be it natural or vaccine based.
Where we are now is a result of vaccine and natural immunity and a less potent strain than we had when Delta was around. Vaccines have definitely changed the context entirely. If Omicron had emerged now with no vaccines as a novel virus things would be bad - probably not as bad as they were as it affects the lungs less but still very bad.
Totally agree on Oakenshott.
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Does virulent relate to reproduction rates? If so then I meant less potent. It will be interesting to see how things evolve as the vaccine take up rate goes down. | |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 23:42 - Mar 2 with 1985 views | Sarge |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 15:19 - Mar 2 by Herbivore |
How many people were fined £10k for sitting on a bench for 5 minutes during lockdown? |
None thankfully, as the maximum fine for sitting on a bench was only £6400 which we can all agree was far more reasonable. | | | |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 07:33 - Mar 3 with 1792 views | Herbivore |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 23:42 - Mar 2 by Sarge |
None thankfully, as the maximum fine for sitting on a bench was only £6400 which we can all agree was far more reasonable. |
How many people were fined £6400 for sitting on a bench for five minutes? | |
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| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 07:36 - Mar 3 with 1769 views | DanTheMan |
| Don't get sucked into the Isabel Oakeshott narrative... on 07:33 - Mar 3 by Herbivore |
How many people were fined £6400 for sitting on a bench for five minutes? |
This is a fun game. We'll get down to a fine of a packet of biscuits for 30 seconds on a bench. |  |
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