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Recent worldwide election trends 08:37 - Dec 13 with 606 viewsBarneycurley

Have seen the socialist/Democratic vote dwindle further. Here in oz in the most recent election, the UK and across Europe and South America.

For the more nuanced brains than me (yes its not hard) what do we think is the root cause for this?

Capitalism taking hold or something more deep seated?

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Recent worldwide election trends on 08:41 - Dec 13 with 591 viewsSteve_M

Populist nationalism and a post-truth approach to electioneering coupled with a traditional media that hasn't worked out how to deal with that.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 08:43 - Dec 13 with 580 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Desperation.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 08:47 - Dec 13 with 570 viewsSwansea_Blue

^combination of the both of the above.

Popular nationalism blaming a small group of people for everyone's troubles, deflecting from the parties who've made people's lives desperate.

We're fecked.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 08:51 - Dec 13 with 561 viewsWeWereZombies

There are a number of roots causes, most if which I think are negative. Globalisation makes people feel less empowered and more wary of competition so that, perhaps counter intuitively, they feel more pressured to conform. Which in turn stifles debate.

Climate change and population increase can have a similar effect. At present consumer prices are finding ways to cope with threats and the aforementioned globalisation brings economies of scale to counter localised scarcities. In the longer term enormous problems loom but short term people see retrenchment as OK. And as Keynes said 'In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task, if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us, that when the storm is long past, the ocean is flat again.' That first sentence is the often quoted one but the second sentence is more relevant now.

So the migration crisis will worsen and probably cause even more backward looking policies worldwide, nationalism and militarism will increase and we can only hope that a more sober and forward facing population emerge after the coming wars. But there are still bright spots on the horizon:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-50735802/finland-s-sanna-marin-sworn-

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Recent worldwide election trends on 08:54 - Dec 13 with 555 viewsSwansea_Blue

Recent worldwide election trends on 08:51 - Dec 13 by WeWereZombies

There are a number of roots causes, most if which I think are negative. Globalisation makes people feel less empowered and more wary of competition so that, perhaps counter intuitively, they feel more pressured to conform. Which in turn stifles debate.

Climate change and population increase can have a similar effect. At present consumer prices are finding ways to cope with threats and the aforementioned globalisation brings economies of scale to counter localised scarcities. In the longer term enormous problems loom but short term people see retrenchment as OK. And as Keynes said 'In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task, if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us, that when the storm is long past, the ocean is flat again.' That first sentence is the often quoted one but the second sentence is more relevant now.

So the migration crisis will worsen and probably cause even more backward looking policies worldwide, nationalism and militarism will increase and we can only hope that a more sober and forward facing population emerge after the coming wars. But there are still bright spots on the horizon:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-50735802/finland-s-sanna-marin-sworn-


There's about 5 of them in that coalition aren't there. All forward looking women from the centre to the left with a desire for collaboration to build on the good work Finland have been doing for some years now. A bright spot indeed.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 09:01 - Dec 13 with 549 viewsmonytowbray

The internet hasn’t helped. There’s some really good context and points made for both sides throughout the AHS Cult series I watched recently that’s based on alt right cult started by a fictional character in the wake of Trump’s election.

I agree with the above post that it’s something we’ve not figured out the answer to yet. The USA has always hated socialism and their input in the global world/consumed media/etc is massive.

To think we’ve not really had anything of real socialist value or for the greater good of society in my lifetime is quite depressing. We have privatised a few things though.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 09:18 - Dec 13 with 542 viewsWeWereZombies

Recent worldwide election trends on 09:01 - Dec 13 by monytowbray

The internet hasn’t helped. There’s some really good context and points made for both sides throughout the AHS Cult series I watched recently that’s based on alt right cult started by a fictional character in the wake of Trump’s election.

I agree with the above post that it’s something we’ve not figured out the answer to yet. The USA has always hated socialism and their input in the global world/consumed media/etc is massive.

To think we’ve not really had anything of real socialist value or for the greater good of society in my lifetime is quite depressing. We have privatised a few things though.


And yet the World's largest national population has an economy of roughly the same size as the United States and is controlled by a communist party - which ruthlessly uses capitalism to extend its power.

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Recent worldwide election trends on 09:22 - Dec 13 with 535 viewsBarneycurley

Recent worldwide election trends on 08:51 - Dec 13 by WeWereZombies

There are a number of roots causes, most if which I think are negative. Globalisation makes people feel less empowered and more wary of competition so that, perhaps counter intuitively, they feel more pressured to conform. Which in turn stifles debate.

Climate change and population increase can have a similar effect. At present consumer prices are finding ways to cope with threats and the aforementioned globalisation brings economies of scale to counter localised scarcities. In the longer term enormous problems loom but short term people see retrenchment as OK. And as Keynes said 'In the long run we are all dead. Economists set themselves too easy, too useless a task, if in tempestuous seasons they can only tell us, that when the storm is long past, the ocean is flat again.' That first sentence is the often quoted one but the second sentence is more relevant now.

So the migration crisis will worsen and probably cause even more backward looking policies worldwide, nationalism and militarism will increase and we can only hope that a more sober and forward facing population emerge after the coming wars. But there are still bright spots on the horizon:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-50735802/finland-s-sanna-marin-sworn-


I love being informed on this forum. I mean that humbly. I see trends in my OP and and don't take the time to inform myself and briefly move on and yet there are people like yourself that open my mind to new ideas.

Now that's what people can aspire too - being better educated and thats a socialist ideal - what an odd quirk hey!

My brother in law is a life long socialist his dad was an MP here in Adelaide and an Education minister and yet where does he send his 4 kids to school? - a private Catholic college - go figure

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Recent worldwide election trends on 09:25 - Dec 13 with 531 viewsvapour_trail

As iggy says, it’s over for the liberal democracies...


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