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That meetings going well ( not) 18:25 - Feb 28 with 7636 views

Trump and Vance ganging up on Zelenskyy! A right pair of t@ats🤬
Not a word of what about Russia is actually doing its all Ukraines fault for not surrendering and saving lives🙄

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:03 - Mar 3 with 723 views

HairBearBunch

That meetings going well ( not) on 11:37 - Mar 3 by Kievthegreat

As Joe alludes to in his joke, Britain and France will likely take the lead in Europe because they have the most significant armed forces (even with their glaring problems). The next go to country would be Germany who are in the midst of deciding a new government and if we think our military procurement is bad, wait till you get a load of Germany's! Dark horse is Poland, but I don't think they have the size to be the lead, plus they do have some tricky interactions with Ukraine still. Additionally I think Starmer has some strategic advantages beyond military.

Firstly he can adopt a more diplomatic approach to Trump, even if the sack of sh1t doesn't deserve it. France must take heed of EU sentiment in a way that the UK can ignore when necessary. The UK has greater flexibility diplomatically and politically because Trump views us as seperate, so use that to our advantage. Plus while I don't think the relationship is special, the enormous intertwining of the intelligence and military communities helps us behind the scenes. No other country in Europe has such links to such depth.

Secondly he can count on the most fervent public support of Ukraine of any European country. Opinion polls across Europe show UK support for Ukraine is higher than all other countries. As such even those who should be naturally close to Trump are not aligning with his views on Ukraine (or at least not doing so out loud right now). Some Tories even tweeted in support of Kier with regards the summit. Ukraine is the one issue where the only time there is partisan bickering, is to complain about not doing enough.

Fervent support ?

'Public support for Britain's role in the conflict continues, with just over half (53%) of Britons supporting the government's provision of economic, humanitarian, and defensive military assistance to Ukraine little changed since November 2024. The peak of support was 68% in February 2023'.

ipsos, 25th Feb '25

Hardly fervent. At this rate of decline it'll be a minority opinion by Easter.

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:21 - Mar 3 with 684 views

WeWereZombies

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:03 - Mar 3 by HairBearBunch

Your last line implies a straight line progression but I suspect that the King meeting Zelenski will shore up support for Ukraine and sway those who regard themselves as patriotic but have been too enthusiastic for a foreign power to think again and uphold the right to self determination.

Poll:

Jack Clarke is

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:39 - Mar 3 with 648 views

HairBearBunch

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:21 - Mar 3 by WeWereZombies
Your last line implies a straight line progression but I suspect that the King meeting Zelenski will shore up support for Ukraine and sway those who regard themselves as patriotic but have been too enthusiastic for a foreign power to think again and uphold the right to self determination.

You may well be right. I suspect the opposite though, that the prospect of British boots on the ground will accelerate the progression.

That meetings going well ( not) on 15:25 - Mar 3 with 606 views

DJR

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:39 - Mar 3 by HairBearBunch
You may well be right. I suspect the opposite though, that the prospect of British boots on the ground will accelerate the progression.

This is an interesting finding. I wouldn't be one of the 65% but then again, overseas aid is not that popular even among Labour supporters

That meetings going well ( not) on 15:25 - Mar 3 with 601 views

Kievthegreat

That meetings going well ( not) on 14:03 - Mar 3 by HairBearBunch

It's worth qualifying that the results still show far more supporting Britain's role than opposing (More than 3-1 in favour). Also from the same poll, 66% believe that support should be maintained or increased versus 18% thinking too much has been given.

Obviously there'll be differences due to different lines in questioning, but from YouGov, 74% want Ukraine to win vs 4% Russia and 65% want the UK to maintain (41%) or increase (24%) their level of support. versus 19% who want to reduce it.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51653-ukraine-war-three-years-on-where-do

Additionally 58% support sending British soldiers to act as peacekeepers.

Finally this is all polling before Trump had his little tantrum. We'll have to wait and see, but I get the feeling The Vance/Trump meltdown will likely have made people more supportive of supporting Ukraine, albeit more pessimistic about results.

That meetings going well ( not) on 15:31 - Mar 3 with 574 views

Clapham_Junction

That meetings going well ( not) on 15:25 - Mar 3 by DJR
This is an interesting finding. I wouldn't be one of the 65% but then again, overseas aid is not that popular even among Labour supporters

The figures are based on people who voted Labour in 2024, which I think is quite a different subset of people to 'Labour supporters'.

It would be interesting to see a Sankey diagram of where people who voted last year are now intending to put their crosses if there were a general election imminent.

That meetings going well ( not) on 17:33 - Mar 3 with 467 views

DJR

That meetings going well ( not) on 15:31 - Mar 3 by Clapham_Junction
The figures are based on people who voted Labour in 2024, which I think is quite a different subset of people to 'Labour supporters'. It would be interesting to see a Sankey diagram of where people who voted last year are now intending to put their crosses if there were a general election imminent.

Very fair point. And it doesn't include the Greens.

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