| Bloody foreigners on 17:29 - Nov 4 with 803 views | BlueNomad |
Brave Tommy Robinson and his slimy Reform chums are yet to comment. |  | |  |
| Bloody foreigners on 09:16 - Nov 5 with 594 views | DJR |
Digging about, reports suggest he is a Muslim of Algerian stock. But I've yet to see that reported in the papers or on TV news.
It suggest ethnicity only matters when bad acts are involved.
EDIT: this letter appeared in today's Guardian.
I write in response to your report (Police ‘forced to disclose ethnicity of suspects to counter far-right speculation’, 2 November).
In 2020 I spoke to a senior Metropolitan police officer about the fact that the identification of suspects and arrested persons by ethnicity is only publicised when the person involved is non-white, creating the impression that most crime is committed by non-white criminals. This is particularly the case when the crime is committed in an area identified as one with a high ethnic minority population. If there is a headline “Brixton rapist”, how many white people will assume the suspect is white if he is not identified by ethnicity?
The reporting of ethnicity only when non-white creates the impression that a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by ethnic minorities. This, combined with the nebulous concept of “British values” – which apparently I do not share unless taught – suggests that those of my Caribbean heritage have a “criminal gene”, rather than being seen as a logical intersectionality between lack of opportunity, racism and social position.
So let us create a level playing field and reveal the background of every suspect.
Martin Forde KC
London [Post edited 5 Nov 9:37]
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| Bloody foreigners on 11:46 - Nov 5 with 466 views | nrb1985 |
| Bloody foreigners on 09:16 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Digging about, reports suggest he is a Muslim of Algerian stock. But I've yet to see that reported in the papers or on TV news.
It suggest ethnicity only matters when bad acts are involved.
EDIT: this letter appeared in today's Guardian.
I write in response to your report (Police ‘forced to disclose ethnicity of suspects to counter far-right speculation’, 2 November).
In 2020 I spoke to a senior Metropolitan police officer about the fact that the identification of suspects and arrested persons by ethnicity is only publicised when the person involved is non-white, creating the impression that most crime is committed by non-white criminals. This is particularly the case when the crime is committed in an area identified as one with a high ethnic minority population. If there is a headline “Brixton rapist”, how many white people will assume the suspect is white if he is not identified by ethnicity?
The reporting of ethnicity only when non-white creates the impression that a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by ethnic minorities. This, combined with the nebulous concept of “British values” – which apparently I do not share unless taught – suggests that those of my Caribbean heritage have a “criminal gene”, rather than being seen as a logical intersectionality between lack of opportunity, racism and social position.
So let us create a level playing field and reveal the background of every suspect.
Martin Forde KC
London [Post edited 5 Nov 9:37]
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I hope the cnts that were speculating on here and rightly got a dressing down from the board are banned.
No place for that or them round here.
The reality turned out to be the complete opposite of what they were speculating. [Post edited 5 Nov 11:47]
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| Bloody foreigners on 12:07 - Nov 5 with 423 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Bloody foreigners on 09:16 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Digging about, reports suggest he is a Muslim of Algerian stock. But I've yet to see that reported in the papers or on TV news.
It suggest ethnicity only matters when bad acts are involved.
EDIT: this letter appeared in today's Guardian.
I write in response to your report (Police ‘forced to disclose ethnicity of suspects to counter far-right speculation’, 2 November).
In 2020 I spoke to a senior Metropolitan police officer about the fact that the identification of suspects and arrested persons by ethnicity is only publicised when the person involved is non-white, creating the impression that most crime is committed by non-white criminals. This is particularly the case when the crime is committed in an area identified as one with a high ethnic minority population. If there is a headline “Brixton rapist”, how many white people will assume the suspect is white if he is not identified by ethnicity?
The reporting of ethnicity only when non-white creates the impression that a disproportionate amount of crime is committed by ethnic minorities. This, combined with the nebulous concept of “British values” – which apparently I do not share unless taught – suggests that those of my Caribbean heritage have a “criminal gene”, rather than being seen as a logical intersectionality between lack of opportunity, racism and social position.
So let us create a level playing field and reveal the background of every suspect.
Martin Forde KC
London [Post edited 5 Nov 9:37]
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That's not up to date. The latest NPCC guidance for 2025 is:
1. Forces encouraged to disclose ethnicity and nationality when suspects are charged in certain cases
2. Move aims to ensure policing is more consistent, fair and transparent with this information, as well as addressing potential mis and disinformation
3. Change recognises public concerns and ensures police processes are fit for purpose in an age of rapid information spread.
https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/police-issue-new-national-guidance-for-disc |  |
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| Bloody foreigners on 13:10 - Nov 5 with 361 views | DJR |
| Bloody foreigners on 12:07 - Nov 5 by GlasgowBlue |
That's not up to date. The latest NPCC guidance for 2025 is:
1. Forces encouraged to disclose ethnicity and nationality when suspects are charged in certain cases
2. Move aims to ensure policing is more consistent, fair and transparent with this information, as well as addressing potential mis and disinformation
3. Change recognises public concerns and ensures police processes are fit for purpose in an age of rapid information spread.
https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/police-issue-new-national-guidance-for-disc |
Martin Forde appears to be talking about suspects prior to charge whereas your extract relates to those that have been charged. I assume he is saying that the ethnicity of such people is more likely to be disclosed if they are black rather than white.
You quoted this passage in connection with the Huntingdon suspects but information about them was disclosed before they had been charged, and below is what I posted in response.
"This is the guidance in question but it is interesting to note that the nationality and ethnicity but not their names appear to have been released prior to charge. Indeed, it is the period before charge where "imaginations" are most likely to run wild.
The column on pre-arrest does allow a description including, but not limited to, ethnicity to be disclosed, so it is maybe that under which the information was disclosed. But a risk factor of hostility to communities based on the description is to be taken into account. I imagine, however, that it wouldn't be difficult to take the view that the risk to, say, the Muslim community by not describing them outweighed the risk to the black British community by describing them.
https://assets.college.police.uk/s3fs-public/2025-08/NPCC-College-interim-guidan
[Post edited 5 Nov 13:23]
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| Bloody foreigners on 14:03 - Nov 5 with 259 views | djgooder |
Thing is it is a really polarised subject and instances where is it a foreign person are blown out of proportion. Realising another foreign violent criminal by accident won’t help eiither.
But it also works both ways. I recruited a black female not so long ago, and yes, I am a white Brit. She is a highly educated woman and someone I think really highly of. But she did shock me when we were having dinner together shortly we first met. She was politely asking me about my family. I said my wife was a mixed race Russian. She responded with ‘doesn’t mean you are not racist’ when race hadn’t been a part of the discussion. Now it was a one off, hasn’t been repeated, but massively surprised me.
My big fear with a mixed race wife, still working towards permanent right ti remain, and a mixed mixed race son is what happens if reform gets in. I realise my next comment will sound ridiculous, but part of me thinks they need to get in, so we see how bad it can be, so we have a reset. But the risks are too great for that really. Donald/Musk etc is normalising hate. But the left has been to soft on things like grooming gangs which fuels the rights agenda.
We need a more centralist policy in my view, but with the polarised nature of things at the moment that won’t really please anyone. It is a sad and difficult time we live in and I wish we could fast forward though it. |  | | |
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