| PLEASE let this happen - re. Andy Burnham 15:15 - Jan 22 with 2745 views | gtsb1966 |
The one person who can stop Farage and wipe that smug grin off his face.
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| PLEASE let this happen on 11:48 - Jan 23 with 295 views | DJR |
| PLEASE let this happen on 10:00 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
He's strood for the Labour leadership twice and lost twice. One of those times was to Corbyn ffs. |
The first time he was way down the pecking order, and the second time something happened which I never fully understood and which ended up with someone unsuited to leadership becoming the leader.
And of course, Burnham's chances weren't helped by the changes to the election rules that Miliband introduced.
Of course, those rules have in my view have now gone too far the too far the other way. [Post edited 23 Jan 12:00]
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| PLEASE let this happen on 11:54 - Jan 23 with 274 views | positivity |
| PLEASE let this happen on 10:23 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
That's once. Burnham stood and lost twice. Plus Truss only lasted a few weeks so the circumstances are entirely different.
Look we have a competent and decent Prime Minister in Starmer who is running the country n very difficult circumstances, both at home and abroad. Labour have a massive majority and another 3 years in power. Why are people within the Labour party waning to put all that at risk? |
the most recent was over 10 years ago, truss was 3-4! since then burnham has vastly improved his standing in manchester.
i agree that starmer is competent and decent, but the right-wing media and far-right social media owners hate him and may oust him. they'll never give him a fair hearing and it's inevitable that people will be brainwashed a la benters into irrational hatred for a competent, decent and statesmanlike leader.
at that point, it'd be good to have as many good options to replace him as possible.
personally, i think the manchester job is an important one for labour, and believe the barriers will be too much to overcome at this stage |  |
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| PLEASE let this happen on 11:56 - Jan 23 with 262 views | DJR |
| PLEASE let this happen on 10:23 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
That's once. Burnham stood and lost twice. Plus Truss only lasted a few weeks so the circumstances are entirely different.
Look we have a competent and decent Prime Minister in Starmer who is running the country n very difficult circumstances, both at home and abroad. Labour have a massive majority and another 3 years in power. Why are people within the Labour party waning to put all that at risk? |
It's politics innit, with even handpicked and supposed supine MPs fearing for their seats.
For what it's worth, I think Starmer deserves at least three more years to see if he can turn things round.*
But if things don't change, maybe Labour's only hope will be someone like Burnham who, a bit like Major, would represent a clear break from what went before.
*With all the other news going on, this got rather overshadowed yesterday.
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| PLEASE let this happen on 12:02 - Jan 23 with 242 views | GlasgowBlue |
| PLEASE let this happen on 11:56 - Jan 23 by DJR |
It's politics innit, with even handpicked and supposed supine MPs fearing for their seats.
For what it's worth, I think Starmer deserves at least three more years to see if he can turn things round.*
But if things don't change, maybe Labour's only hope will be someone like Burnham who, a bit like Major, would represent a clear break from what went before.
*With all the other news going on, this got rather overshadowed yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art
Sharp fall in government borrowing in December, figures show |
With the country drifting rightwards the solution to Labour's woes would not be to drift leftwards. In my humble opinion. |  |
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| PLEASE let this happen on 12:20 - Jan 23 with 219 views | Libero |
| PLEASE let this happen on 10:41 - Jan 23 by GavTWTD |
I do wonder if the hatred of Starmer is mainly down to Rachel Reeves and her budgets. My hope is that we're going uphill in the first half of their term and the last two years will be much better having put us on a better financial footing to reel back on some of the more controversial policies. If you've a big majority you can get away with it in the first half. They'll get hit in May though, that's for certain. That always happens anyway doesn't it?
U-turns are embarrassing but I'd prefer politicians put their hands up and tweak/remove policies that aren't going to work.
Burnham feels like that injured football player that is better in people's minds when he's not playing. Certainly has much better charisma and that's what people want. Does seem to have done a good job in Manchester. |
It precedes that, I remember long before KS was in power, ridiculous stories from Benters type blokes that I know, about how "Keir Starmer was at fault for Jimmy Saville getting away with all them child sex crimes he did"
cue someone sending me a video via whatsapp, full of misinformation and misunderstanding about various elements of the justice system and what the director of public prosecutions actually does.
BIZARRELY a few years later, Boris Johnson repeated this nonsense in public. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/602 |  | | |
| PLEASE let this happen on 12:24 - Jan 23 with 206 views | positivity |
| PLEASE let this happen on 12:02 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
With the country drifting rightwards the solution to Labour's woes would not be to drift leftwards. In my humble opinion. |
not sure that's entirely true. the benters of this world will never switch to labour (due to the media's constant bias), but lib dem/green supporters may well do with a different leader (plus burnham may be more attractive to disaffected northern voters) | |
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| PLEASE let this happen on 13:10 - Jan 23 with 169 views | DJR |
| PLEASE let this happen on 12:02 - Jan 23 by GlasgowBlue |
With the country drifting rightwards the solution to Labour's woes would not be to drift leftwards. In my humble opinion. |
Burnham isn't really that left wing. In Blair/Brown terms he's probably more of a Brownite which probably explains why the Blairites and their successors hate him so much, as they did Miliband.
In the current crop of MPs, Lucy Powell is probably the nearest equivalent but she is hardly a raving lefty.
In any event, Labour is losing votes in large numbers to both the Greens and Lib Dems, so I could see quite a large switch back of votes to Labour were Burnham to become leader, especially if things were looking particularly desperate for Labour. [Post edited 23 Jan 13:12]
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