| Labour move further right on 11:34 - Mar 3 with 417 views | positivity |
| Labour move further right on 11:30 - Mar 3 by GlasgowBlue |
According to some Labour are now a right wing party, so I make that 55%  |
according to others, the cons are dangerously left wing woke warriors, so back down to a quarter! |  |
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| Labour move further right on 07:52 - Mar 4 with 311 views | DJR |
This is why it seems to me that chasing Reform voters is a fool's errand.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Most Reform members believe non-white UK citizens born abroad should be forced or encouraged to leave, poll finds
According to the research published by the anti-racism group, Hope Not Hate (HnH), 54% of Reform members thought non-white British citizens born abroad should be forcibly removed or encouraged to leave, while one in five (22%) also supported it for non-white citizens whose parents were born in the UK.
A quarter of the British population identify positively with Robinson’s movement, according to other polling for HnH by Focaldata using a nationally representative group of 8,185 people. [Post edited 4 Mar 7:53]
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| Labour move further right on 07:57 - Mar 4 with 304 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour move further right on 07:52 - Mar 4 by DJR |
This is why it seems to me that chasing Reform voters is a fool's errand.
https://www.theguardian.com/po
Most Reform members believe non-white UK citizens born abroad should be forced or encouraged to leave, poll finds
According to the research published by the anti-racism group, Hope Not Hate (HnH), 54% of Reform members thought non-white British citizens born abroad should be forcibly removed or encouraged to leave, while one in five (22%) also supported it for non-white citizens whose parents were born in the UK.
A quarter of the British population identify positively with Robinson’s movement, according to other polling for HnH by Focaldata using a nationally representative group of 8,185 people. [Post edited 4 Mar 7:53]
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So what you are saying is that Labour are right to chase the 46% of Reform voters who don’t hold those abhorrent views? |  |
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| Labour move further right on 07:58 - Mar 4 with 302 views | DJR |
| Labour move further right on 07:57 - Mar 4 by GlasgowBlue |
So what you are saying is that Labour are right to chase the 46% of Reform voters who don’t hold those abhorrent views? |
Do you really think Labour can win them over?
As I've said before, if it could only hold on to those who voted for it in 2024, I am sure it would win the next election, unless the Tories and Reform enter into some sort of pact. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:00]
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| Labour move further right on 08:03 - Mar 4 with 278 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour move further right on 07:58 - Mar 4 by DJR |
Do you really think Labour can win them over?
As I've said before, if it could only hold on to those who voted for it in 2024, I am sure it would win the next election, unless the Tories and Reform enter into some sort of pact. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:00]
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Who knows. But your logic was based on only just over half of reform voters being a lost cause. So it’s flawed logic. | |
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| Labour move further right on 08:05 - Mar 4 with 264 views | DJR |
| Labour move further right on 08:03 - Mar 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Who knows. But your logic was based on only just over half of reform voters being a lost cause. So it’s flawed logic. |
It's not flawed logic at all when you consider that a quarter of the British public, roughly the same as Reform's current vote, are supportive of the Tommy Robinson movement. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:06]
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| Labour move further right on 08:12 - Mar 4 with 231 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour move further right on 08:05 - Mar 4 by DJR |
It's not flawed logic at all when you consider that a quarter of the British public, roughly the same as Reform's current vote, are supportive of the Tommy Robinson movement. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:06]
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But that one quarter of the public who support Robinson’s vile views are not 100% of Reform voters. Otherwise the percentage of reform voters supporting forced repatriation would be 100% rather than 54%.
I think it’s heartening to see that nearly 50% of reform voters are not so far gone that they can’t be engaged with and persuaded by other parties to change their vote.
Your stats are actually disproving your argument. | |
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| Labour move further right on 08:23 - Mar 4 with 194 views | DJR |
| Labour move further right on 08:12 - Mar 4 by GlasgowBlue |
But that one quarter of the public who support Robinson’s vile views are not 100% of Reform voters. Otherwise the percentage of reform voters supporting forced repatriation would be 100% rather than 54%.
I think it’s heartening to see that nearly 50% of reform voters are not so far gone that they can’t be engaged with and persuaded by other parties to change their vote.
Your stats are actually disproving your argument. |
You can keep arguing all you like but people who are sympathetic to Tommy Robinson will not vote Labour, especially as the Tories and Reform are offering (as they are) something more extreme when it comes to immigration.
And let's not forget that there will be a sizeable number of people who, while not sympathetic to Robinson and not likely to vote Reform, will be attracted to the Tories because of their tougher immigration policies. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:25]
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| Labour move further right on 08:31 - Mar 4 with 179 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour move further right on 08:23 - Mar 4 by DJR |
You can keep arguing all you like but people who are sympathetic to Tommy Robinson will not vote Labour, especially as the Tories and Reform are offering (as they are) something more extreme when it comes to immigration.
And let's not forget that there will be a sizeable number of people who, while not sympathetic to Robinson and not likely to vote Reform, will be attracted to the Tories because of their tougher immigration policies. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:25]
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Of course people who support Tommy Robinson will not vote Labour. So that is 78% of the country who don’t support Tommy Robinson and 46% of Reform members who don’t support forced repatriation and may be persuaded to vote elsewhere.
The logic in your op is completely flawed. | |
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| Labour move further right on 08:54 - Mar 4 with 125 views | DJR |
| Labour move further right on 08:52 - Mar 4 by GlasgowBlue |
You said 22% supported Tommy Robinson. |
If you look at my first post on this I didn't say that at all.
The 22% figure relates to Reform voters. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:55]
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| Labour move further right on 08:57 - Mar 4 with 102 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour move further right on 08:54 - Mar 4 by DJR |
If you look at my first post on this I didn't say that at all.
The 22% figure relates to Reform voters. [Post edited 4 Mar 8:55]
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You’re correct. So 75% of the country do not support Tommy Robinson’s views. I still believe your logic is flawed. We will agree to disagree. [Post edited 4 Mar 9:18]
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| Labour move further right on 09:17 - Mar 4 with 63 views | DJR |
| Labour move further right on 08:57 - Mar 4 by GlasgowBlue |
You’re correct. So 75% of the country do not support Tommy Robinson’s views. I still believe your logic is flawed. We will agree to disagree. [Post edited 4 Mar 9:18]
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And I yours.  [Post edited 4 Mar 9:21]
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