| Wolfpack 21:53 - Jul 20 with 1433 views | jasondozzell |
Remember early on under KM the players talking about hunting in packs and the Wolfpack? Might have been Burns? Was early on when we were talking about winning the ball back straight away
Really feels like that's going to be at the heart of GON's team this season. Solid 352 but ready to pounce and counter in a flash.
Maeda and Morita, Azor, Emersonn....pressing monsters who are tenacious. It's never going to be the beauty of KM football but I think we could be fun to watch. Counter attacking threat whilst being really disciplined. |  | | |  |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 22:07 - Jul 20 with 1293 views | unstableblue |
Certainly against Liverpool in the first game, and perhaps in the Villa and Fulham home games our press was quite ferocious at times. Liverpool couldn't live with us in the first half.
We need that as a baseline this season. Disrupt, disrupt, overload areas of the pitch quickly.
'Pounce and counter in a flash' thats really where for me McKenna's Prem team cam up short. I've said it many times.. our front 3/4 would just run into cul de sacs, and momentum would be lost. Have to better in transition this season. |  |
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| Wolfpack on 22:23 - Jul 20 with 1190 views | BlueForYou |
That’s a Bury St Edmunds thing! |  | | |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:03 - Jul 21 with 762 views | darkhorse28 |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 22:07 - Jul 20 by unstableblue |
Certainly against Liverpool in the first game, and perhaps in the Villa and Fulham home games our press was quite ferocious at times. Liverpool couldn't live with us in the first half.
We need that as a baseline this season. Disrupt, disrupt, overload areas of the pitch quickly.
'Pounce and counter in a flash' thats really where for me McKenna's Prem team cam up short. I've said it many times.. our front 3/4 would just run into cul de sacs, and momentum would be lost. Have to better in transition this season. |
Remember by the time we got to City at home, and they were in awful form, and we insisted they each have 4 yards of space for 95 minutes…, and West Ham and many others where we couldn’t press a grape…, you are right, City away too and the first few games we were excellent, until we weren’t, which didn’t take especially long. Spurs and Fulham away we pressed well at the right times, and that’s about it.
Our press was excellent in the EFL first few seasons (it really wasn’t last season, it was really poor) but they can’t play through you - at this level every team can play through you easily if there’s even a single player just half a yard off, it’s brutal.
I don’t think we’ll press high up with wide players and the forwards like we did in league one and the championship the first time.
We were superb. Huge energy. Won the ball in key areas, scored so many goals that way, and we had the players (at that level) to do it.
Ask peak Chaplin, Burns, Hutch, etc to do it at this level…., you’d be 3 down at half time, over loads and players out of the game everywhere.
I’ve only seen Klopp and Bournemouth do it to great effect at this level…, City too, and they have the players with pace and quality, and don’t mind losing the odd goal.
We won’t have their goals in our team and we’ll lose every week if we press like we did in the McKenna early days.
We’ll press aggressively - but not high up.
Watch Argentina - that’s a press .., they don’t press high very often…, but when they do press they go together, as a team, they are absolutely brilliant at it.
Don’t press on the opposition half often, but they have positional triggers and they all know when to GO! They mostly though prefer shape, but if you think they can’t and won’t spring a higher press, you get caught out. Hard to play against because you’re never 100% sure, they aren’t one thing at any point (except cheats). The way they all go, and then get back in shape if they don’t win the ball, SO quickly, is very impressive.
Hopefully we’ll be similar, if we play like Liverpool and Bournemouth it’ll be great fun and 15 points…., suspect GON entire pitch was to be a lot more nuanced than that.
We’ll press every time in our half in certain areas, but only in the opposition half with triggers. If we never press in their half, that will equally result in tactical oblivion, but it won’t be the norm.
An example I suspect is we won’t press keepers - they can have it, we’ll go for shape and no overloads, if their worst player wants lots of possession that’s 100% fine.
In league one an overload when we had such a budget and quality advantage seldom hurt us - at this level you can lose three goals in 20 minutes playing like that .., we don’t have a quality advantage, even one on one it’ll be very tough and we’ll need to be extremely disciplined …, something we lost surprisingly early under McKenna.
McKennas career will fascinate me…, how we didn’t evolve and got a lot worse was interesting, by the end of the season we were really poor, West Ham looked like Real Madrid, confidence does that, but we were still doing all the same things that didn’t work, with no answers, solutions, or even attempts to find different ways to get results, I thought we earned a 22 point season, and the squad were better than that outcome.
We will need to be far more astute.
Would love us to be ‘doing a Bournemouth’ in a couple of years though - just love the watching them .., they 100% play like our league one side, at this level, with huge success, best team to watch in the prem by a country mile.
It’ll come, hopefully. This season has to be a scrap and staying up at any cost. I’d take that.., style, that’s a tomorrow problem.
We didn’t press City in our own half, we looked so lost that game, and they were low on confidence - I suspect under GON the press in our half will (hopefully) be ferocious - then the quick transition and bags of pace.
Remember when a certain club our size won the league??
Sit deep. Invite pressure. Press hard where it counts, VERY quick transitions, HUGE pace and quality up front. I think we’ll play 100% like Leicester or try to at least. They could press high occasion too, with discipline.
Jesus. We’re winning the league aren’t we : )))
Would SO suit Delap. Space. His pace and power. Maybe just champions league this year, best to be realistic. Oh and a cup, obviously, GON manager of the year. Why not. |  | | |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:48 - Jul 21 with 658 views | eirannach_gorm |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:03 - Jul 21 by darkhorse28 |
Remember by the time we got to City at home, and they were in awful form, and we insisted they each have 4 yards of space for 95 minutes…, and West Ham and many others where we couldn’t press a grape…, you are right, City away too and the first few games we were excellent, until we weren’t, which didn’t take especially long. Spurs and Fulham away we pressed well at the right times, and that’s about it.
Our press was excellent in the EFL first few seasons (it really wasn’t last season, it was really poor) but they can’t play through you - at this level every team can play through you easily if there’s even a single player just half a yard off, it’s brutal.
I don’t think we’ll press high up with wide players and the forwards like we did in league one and the championship the first time.
We were superb. Huge energy. Won the ball in key areas, scored so many goals that way, and we had the players (at that level) to do it.
Ask peak Chaplin, Burns, Hutch, etc to do it at this level…., you’d be 3 down at half time, over loads and players out of the game everywhere.
I’ve only seen Klopp and Bournemouth do it to great effect at this level…, City too, and they have the players with pace and quality, and don’t mind losing the odd goal.
We won’t have their goals in our team and we’ll lose every week if we press like we did in the McKenna early days.
We’ll press aggressively - but not high up.
Watch Argentina - that’s a press .., they don’t press high very often…, but when they do press they go together, as a team, they are absolutely brilliant at it.
Don’t press on the opposition half often, but they have positional triggers and they all know when to GO! They mostly though prefer shape, but if you think they can’t and won’t spring a higher press, you get caught out. Hard to play against because you’re never 100% sure, they aren’t one thing at any point (except cheats). The way they all go, and then get back in shape if they don’t win the ball, SO quickly, is very impressive.
Hopefully we’ll be similar, if we play like Liverpool and Bournemouth it’ll be great fun and 15 points…., suspect GON entire pitch was to be a lot more nuanced than that.
We’ll press every time in our half in certain areas, but only in the opposition half with triggers. If we never press in their half, that will equally result in tactical oblivion, but it won’t be the norm.
An example I suspect is we won’t press keepers - they can have it, we’ll go for shape and no overloads, if their worst player wants lots of possession that’s 100% fine.
In league one an overload when we had such a budget and quality advantage seldom hurt us - at this level you can lose three goals in 20 minutes playing like that .., we don’t have a quality advantage, even one on one it’ll be very tough and we’ll need to be extremely disciplined …, something we lost surprisingly early under McKenna.
McKennas career will fascinate me…, how we didn’t evolve and got a lot worse was interesting, by the end of the season we were really poor, West Ham looked like Real Madrid, confidence does that, but we were still doing all the same things that didn’t work, with no answers, solutions, or even attempts to find different ways to get results, I thought we earned a 22 point season, and the squad were better than that outcome.
We will need to be far more astute.
Would love us to be ‘doing a Bournemouth’ in a couple of years though - just love the watching them .., they 100% play like our league one side, at this level, with huge success, best team to watch in the prem by a country mile.
It’ll come, hopefully. This season has to be a scrap and staying up at any cost. I’d take that.., style, that’s a tomorrow problem.
We didn’t press City in our own half, we looked so lost that game, and they were low on confidence - I suspect under GON the press in our half will (hopefully) be ferocious - then the quick transition and bags of pace.
Remember when a certain club our size won the league??
Sit deep. Invite pressure. Press hard where it counts, VERY quick transitions, HUGE pace and quality up front. I think we’ll play 100% like Leicester or try to at least. They could press high occasion too, with discipline.
Jesus. We’re winning the league aren’t we : )))
Would SO suit Delap. Space. His pace and power. Maybe just champions league this year, best to be realistic. Oh and a cup, obviously, GON manager of the year. Why not. |
I'm voting for you, Count Binface. | | | |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:50 - Jul 21 with 652 views | DanTheMan |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 22:07 - Jul 20 by unstableblue |
Certainly against Liverpool in the first game, and perhaps in the Villa and Fulham home games our press was quite ferocious at times. Liverpool couldn't live with us in the first half.
We need that as a baseline this season. Disrupt, disrupt, overload areas of the pitch quickly.
'Pounce and counter in a flash' thats really where for me McKenna's Prem team cam up short. I've said it many times.. our front 3/4 would just run into cul de sacs, and momentum would be lost. Have to better in transition this season. |
There was an obvious drop-off in intensity, we were up there with having done the most running in the league in the first few games.
You could tell though that as we got on, the players were exhausted. We spent most games on the back foot and Premier League players are a different caliber of fit. We just couldn't keep it up. |  |
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| Wolfpack on 09:56 - Jul 21 with 629 views | itfcsuth |
I am almost certain we will predominantly operate with a back 3 this season, and I am in favour for our first season at least, with a very strong counter attacking approach, Brentford were exceptional at it under Thomas Frank when they were promoted, gave them the foundation of surviving in the PL.
Although think it could be a 3-4-2-1 with and 5-4-1 without the ball, just with signing of Fatawu it makes me think that.
Think Burns will very much be a RWB for us this year. |  | | |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 12:12 - Jul 21 with 444 views | unstableblue |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:50 - Jul 21 by DanTheMan |
There was an obvious drop-off in intensity, we were up there with having done the most running in the league in the first few games.
You could tell though that as we got on, the players were exhausted. We spent most games on the back foot and Premier League players are a different caliber of fit. We just couldn't keep it up. |
Brighton away was a really energetic, away display with real intensity, and masterclass from Tuanzebe. We started to see the drop off in intensity first half against Saints away, but got on our game second half. Restored it for Villa at home.
Then it vanished at the London Stadium. West Ham were there for the taking that day, and our press was well off. Not getting a point or maybe three there was the beginning of the end for me. | |
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| Wolfpack on 12:42 - Jul 21 with 337 views | mellowblue |
Difficult to see how SWE and Akpom would fit this scenario. Will either be luxury subs or binned off. | | | |
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| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 13:19 - Jul 21 with 258 views | alial |
| Wolfpack AND savage transitions on 09:03 - Jul 21 by darkhorse28 |
Remember by the time we got to City at home, and they were in awful form, and we insisted they each have 4 yards of space for 95 minutes…, and West Ham and many others where we couldn’t press a grape…, you are right, City away too and the first few games we were excellent, until we weren’t, which didn’t take especially long. Spurs and Fulham away we pressed well at the right times, and that’s about it.
Our press was excellent in the EFL first few seasons (it really wasn’t last season, it was really poor) but they can’t play through you - at this level every team can play through you easily if there’s even a single player just half a yard off, it’s brutal.
I don’t think we’ll press high up with wide players and the forwards like we did in league one and the championship the first time.
We were superb. Huge energy. Won the ball in key areas, scored so many goals that way, and we had the players (at that level) to do it.
Ask peak Chaplin, Burns, Hutch, etc to do it at this level…., you’d be 3 down at half time, over loads and players out of the game everywhere.
I’ve only seen Klopp and Bournemouth do it to great effect at this level…, City too, and they have the players with pace and quality, and don’t mind losing the odd goal.
We won’t have their goals in our team and we’ll lose every week if we press like we did in the McKenna early days.
We’ll press aggressively - but not high up.
Watch Argentina - that’s a press .., they don’t press high very often…, but when they do press they go together, as a team, they are absolutely brilliant at it.
Don’t press on the opposition half often, but they have positional triggers and they all know when to GO! They mostly though prefer shape, but if you think they can’t and won’t spring a higher press, you get caught out. Hard to play against because you’re never 100% sure, they aren’t one thing at any point (except cheats). The way they all go, and then get back in shape if they don’t win the ball, SO quickly, is very impressive.
Hopefully we’ll be similar, if we play like Liverpool and Bournemouth it’ll be great fun and 15 points…., suspect GON entire pitch was to be a lot more nuanced than that.
We’ll press every time in our half in certain areas, but only in the opposition half with triggers. If we never press in their half, that will equally result in tactical oblivion, but it won’t be the norm.
An example I suspect is we won’t press keepers - they can have it, we’ll go for shape and no overloads, if their worst player wants lots of possession that’s 100% fine.
In league one an overload when we had such a budget and quality advantage seldom hurt us - at this level you can lose three goals in 20 minutes playing like that .., we don’t have a quality advantage, even one on one it’ll be very tough and we’ll need to be extremely disciplined …, something we lost surprisingly early under McKenna.
McKennas career will fascinate me…, how we didn’t evolve and got a lot worse was interesting, by the end of the season we were really poor, West Ham looked like Real Madrid, confidence does that, but we were still doing all the same things that didn’t work, with no answers, solutions, or even attempts to find different ways to get results, I thought we earned a 22 point season, and the squad were better than that outcome.
We will need to be far more astute.
Would love us to be ‘doing a Bournemouth’ in a couple of years though - just love the watching them .., they 100% play like our league one side, at this level, with huge success, best team to watch in the prem by a country mile.
It’ll come, hopefully. This season has to be a scrap and staying up at any cost. I’d take that.., style, that’s a tomorrow problem.
We didn’t press City in our own half, we looked so lost that game, and they were low on confidence - I suspect under GON the press in our half will (hopefully) be ferocious - then the quick transition and bags of pace.
Remember when a certain club our size won the league??
Sit deep. Invite pressure. Press hard where it counts, VERY quick transitions, HUGE pace and quality up front. I think we’ll play 100% like Leicester or try to at least. They could press high occasion too, with discipline.
Jesus. We’re winning the league aren’t we : )))
Would SO suit Delap. Space. His pace and power. Maybe just champions league this year, best to be realistic. Oh and a cup, obviously, GON manager of the year. Why not. |
Got to be a downvote for making too much sense on this forum…
Only joking, an excellent write up of what is actually required.
I think the majority agree with this so do we think we didn’t have the “right” players to play this way, or do we think McKenna didn’t want to last time in the Prem? Was he a Kompany in disguise vying for a top job by the way we played or simply didn’t think we had the calibre of player to play this way? I’m beginning to slide with the former, just because it is very obvious what was needed.
I thought we were excellent that season against Brighton and played the way you described - iirc Delap broke away and hit the post which would have won the game 1-0 away. I could never understand why we didn’t apply that same tactic to basically every team. | | | |
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