| Bart v Gerken 16:44 - Dec 30 with 3397 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Just some stats. I agree Bart is the better keeper but think Gerken has been far better than Bart this season. We aren't magically going to get the Bart of last season back. Gerken should not be dropped for one mistake - it sends the wrong message.
Bart in 2 spells: P 5 (plus a cup game) Clean shts 0 Pts per game 0.4; P 7 CS 0 Ppg 0.286
Gerken in 2 spells P 8 Clean sht 1 Pts per game 0.875; P 5 CS 1 Ppg 0.8
Overall Bart in 12 matches has played in teams that have gained 4 points.
Gerken in 13 matches has played in teams that have gained 11 points.
I get stats alone don't tell the whole story but Gerken has been the better keeper this season. We should either stick with him or get someone else in. |  |
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| Bart v Gerken on 16:59 - Dec 30 with 3352 views | No9 |
Poor keeping was the problem with both goals yesterday.
Poor kieeping at QPR a contributing factor & the game before |  | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:07 - Dec 30 with 3332 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 16:59 - Dec 30 by No9 |
Poor keeping was the problem with both goals yesterday.
Poor kieeping at QPR a contributing factor & the game before |
"the" problem I would take issue with. What should Gerken have done better for the penalty yesterday?
Which bit of the stats do you argue with? Do you think Bart has been faultless this season? | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 17:09 - Dec 30 with 3325 views | No9 |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:07 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"the" problem I would take issue with. What should Gerken have done better for the penalty yesterday?
Which bit of the stats do you argue with? Do you think Bart has been faultless this season? |
No he should have taken the cross in the box
He should make the 6 yard box his, it is a serious failing, opposition teams seem to have twigged already. | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:13 - Dec 30 with 3317 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:09 - Dec 30 by No9 |
No he should have taken the cross in the box
He should make the 6 yard box his, it is a serious failing, opposition teams seem to have twigged already. |
Oh, yes, of course and Bart would have dominated that cross without taking out the player Spence was adjudged to have fouled wouldn't he?
What about the stats? Coincidence or what? | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 17:16 - Dec 30 with 3310 views | No9 |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:13 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Oh, yes, of course and Bart would have dominated that cross without taking out the player Spence was adjudged to have fouled wouldn't he?
What about the stats? Coincidence or what? |
Well what has happened, happened.
DG was in goal yesterday, Town lost 2-0 both goals were GK errors | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:18 - Dec 30 with 3303 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:16 - Dec 30 by No9 |
Well what has happened, happened.
DG was in goal yesterday, Town lost 2-0 both goals were GK errors |
Except both weren't.
One was. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 17:28 - Dec 30 with 3284 views | No9 |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:18 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Except both weren't.
One was. |
taking control of his 6 yard box is a prime requisite for any keeper.
DG should have taken that cross it was well inside the 6 yard box. | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:34 - Dec 30 with 3274 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:28 - Dec 30 by No9 |
taking control of his 6 yard box is a prime requisite for any keeper.
DG should have taken that cross it was well inside the 6 yard box. |
Just watched it again.
"Well inside"? The "foul" occurred on the edge of the six yard box. There were defenders there dealing with the cross.
To suggest the award of a penalty is down to Gerken not dominating his area does not hold with me. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 17:45 - Dec 30 with 3259 views | No9 |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:34 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Just watched it again.
"Well inside"? The "foul" occurred on the edge of the six yard box. There were defenders there dealing with the cross.
To suggest the award of a penalty is down to Gerken not dominating his area does not hold with me. |
Any GK should control the 6 yard box, to stick to the goal line as DG did is asking for trouble.
A GK coming out for the ball can clatter any opponetn & get away with it. | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:57 - Dec 30 with 3242 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:45 - Dec 30 by No9 |
Any GK should control the 6 yard box, to stick to the goal line as DG did is asking for trouble.
A GK coming out for the ball can clatter any opponetn & get away with it. |
I have just watched De Gea leave one the same for his defenders to deal with. Is he a poor keeper too? | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 17:59 - Dec 30 with 3238 views | No9 |
| Bart v Gerken on 17:57 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have just watched De Gea leave one the same for his defenders to deal with. Is he a poor keeper too? |
What has De Gea got to do with yesterdays game ? | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:03 - Dec 30 with 3226 views | BLUEBEAT |
So based on this formula, Donacien should be starting instead of Spence! |  |
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| Bart v Gerken on 18:08 - Dec 30 with 3211 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:03 - Dec 30 by BLUEBEAT |
So based on this formula, Donacien should be starting instead of Spence! |
Do the maths.
I think Spence has played 2/3 of our league matches in which we have gained 2/3 of our points. I doubt they stack up so well for Donacien. Have to log off now but can check later. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 18:13 - Dec 30 with 3206 views | EastTownBlue |
I don't think that stats can cover mistakes made, failing to come out for crosses etc.
Both keepers have not been good enough this season. | | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:44 - Dec 30 with 3164 views | homer_123 |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:13 - Dec 30 by EastTownBlue |
I don't think that stats can cover mistakes made, failing to come out for crosses etc.
Both keepers have not been good enough this season. |
And yet, on paper, I'm not sure any team in this division has a better two? |  |
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| Bart v Gerken on 19:08 - Dec 30 with 3125 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:08 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Do the maths.
I think Spence has played 2/3 of our league matches in which we have gained 2/3 of our points. I doubt they stack up so well for Donacien. Have to log off now but can check later. |
Please do as I really can’t be arsed. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 21:04 - Dec 30 with 3041 views | Radlett_blue |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:13 - Dec 30 by EastTownBlue |
I don't think that stats can cover mistakes made, failing to come out for crosses etc.
Both keepers have not been good enough this season. |
Gerken has never really been god enough for this league. League 1/2 keeper at best; OK as back up.
The real problem is that Bart has been poor pretty much whenever he has played this season & has made more errors than Gerken, who has remained at his normal level.
With 2 keepers on our book, one of whom is apparently earning an absurd £1m a year, I don't see bringing in a new keeper a priority given our weaknesses elsewhere on the pitch. |  |
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| Bart v Gerken on 21:10 - Dec 30 with 3030 views | PJH |
| Bart v Gerken on 21:04 - Dec 30 by Radlett_blue |
Gerken has never really been god enough for this league. League 1/2 keeper at best; OK as back up.
The real problem is that Bart has been poor pretty much whenever he has played this season & has made more errors than Gerken, who has remained at his normal level.
With 2 keepers on our book, one of whom is apparently earning an absurd £1m a year, I don't see bringing in a new keeper a priority given our weaknesses elsewhere on the pitch. |
This is exactly as I see it.
Having seen every League game this season (and last season and the season before and the season before) I would say Gerken is the better keeper at the moment because he is being what he has always been but Bart has gone backwards-a long way. |  | | |
| Bart v Gerken on 22:09 - Dec 30 with 2975 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 18:13 - Dec 30 by EastTownBlue |
I don't think that stats can cover mistakes made, failing to come out for crosses etc.
Both keepers have not been good enough this season. |
I agree about both not being good enough, but Gerken has been significantly better than Bialkowski this season. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 22:17 - Dec 30 with 2958 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 19:08 - Dec 30 by BLUEBEAT |
Please do as I really can’t be arsed. |
OK. Easy enough to do.
Donacien 9 starts for a 6 point return. (0.67 ppg)
Spence 15 starts for a 9 point return. (0.6 ppg)
Very little in it. Even more variables at play for outfield players. One thing I am sure of is that from the little I have seen of Donacien he is not any improvement on Spence. I am not even sure Hurst thought he was as he played both in his first match, replaced Donacien with Spence for the Norwich match, brought Donacien in while keeping Spence and then dropped both. In his last match he had dropped Donacien for Spence. Lambert has not even put Donacien on the bench since the Forest match. [Post edited 30 Dec 2018 22:24]
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| Bart v Gerken on 23:00 - Dec 30 with 2915 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Bart v Gerken on 22:17 - Dec 30 by Nthsuffolkblue |
OK. Easy enough to do.
Donacien 9 starts for a 6 point return. (0.67 ppg)
Spence 15 starts for a 9 point return. (0.6 ppg)
Very little in it. Even more variables at play for outfield players. One thing I am sure of is that from the little I have seen of Donacien he is not any improvement on Spence. I am not even sure Hurst thought he was as he played both in his first match, replaced Donacien with Spence for the Norwich match, brought Donacien in while keeping Spence and then dropped both. In his last match he had dropped Donacien for Spence. Lambert has not even put Donacien on the bench since the Forest match. [Post edited 30 Dec 2018 22:24]
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So little in it that I’m surprised Lambert hasn’t given him a go.
From my (albeit unprofessional) point of view, in the matches I’ve seen this season, Donacien has not gifted the opposition a hatful of goals. Nor has he regularly been caught out of position. | |
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| Bart v Gerken on 23:05 - Dec 30 with 2906 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Bart v Gerken on 23:00 - Dec 30 by BLUEBEAT |
So little in it that I’m surprised Lambert hasn’t given him a go.
From my (albeit unprofessional) point of view, in the matches I’ve seen this season, Donacien has not gifted the opposition a hatful of goals. Nor has he regularly been caught out of position. |
Indeed, all our views are unprofessional.
Either Lambert does not rate Donacien above Spence at all, or he thinks it is marginal and is trying to find a way out of the deal to sign him. How much longer before the decision is made on the leave to stay in this country? I would imagine not playing would play some part in whether it does. Perhaps the best thing for all parties is that the deal is cancelled, he goes back to playing and the leave is granted.
EDIT: I also think Lambert has gone for a policy of consistency especially in defence. Which is also why I think Knudsen leaving is likely (but surprised he was on the bench if anything is at an advanced stage). [Post edited 30 Dec 2018 23:07]
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