| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think 09:42 - Aug 15 with 236 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Opening bid: Return of Alaska, in return for the Donbas?
Then sell the Donbas to the Ukraine in return for US access to all minerals on Ukranian soil and $7trillion, followed by a trade agreement between the US and Russia. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:44 - Aug 15 with 217 views | ElderGrizzly |
They’ve already said they are going to offer mineral rights to Putin in Alaska.
So Putin invades a sovereign nation and he gets extra business as a reward.
Art of the deal there Donald 😂 |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:48 - Aug 15 with 192 views | WD19 |
I can’t see any outcome other than Trump deciding that it is a fantastic deal for Ukraine to give away all of the territory that Russia has already stolen……and then be mad at Zelenskyy for not immediately agreeing with him.
Amongst the lowlights so far we have already had criticism that Zelensky ‘started’ the war without constitutional approval so it is therefore ridiculous that he might need constitutional approval to cede sovereign territory.
Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:54 - Aug 15 with 165 views | BlueBadger |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:44 - Aug 15 by ElderGrizzly |
They’ve already said they are going to offer mineral rights to Putin in Alaska.
So Putin invades a sovereign nation and he gets extra business as a reward.
Art of the deal there Donald 😂 |
Lest we forget, not only does Trumpy-wumpy not want to see the Epstein dossier hit the public eye, neither does he want Vlad's pictures of his alleged puddle party in Moscow to hit the public eye. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:58 - Aug 15 with 158 views | EuanTown |
Nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all. The needle returns to the start of the song and we all dance along like before. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 09:58 - Aug 15 with 158 views | BarcaBlue |
One of my main concerns is that Trump is prioritising a Nobel Peace Prize over all else. As always he's going to make it all about him and not any fair resolutions for Ukraine.
I also get the feeling that Putin is the man Trump would love to be, concessions from the Russian side are likely to be slight and probably not worth the paper they're written on. Trump will come home waving a meaningless piece of paper claiming peace in our time and the give the Norwegian minister another call. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:04 - Aug 15 with 126 views | J2BLUE |
It's a delaying tactic by Putin. He is not going to 'make a deal' when they are gaining ground.
He is going to play Trump and get a load of concessions/economic deals for vague promises which won't come off. Putin will probably have the Russian military launch the biggest bombardment of the war as soon as he gets home just to publicly show how pathetic Trump is.
'Strongman' Trump will come out of the meeting like he's been brainwashed parroting Russian propaganda. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:07 - Aug 15 with 113 views | Herbivore |
Can't see this ending well. Putin has been playing Trump like a fiddle for years. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:08 - Aug 15 with 108 views | SomethingBlue |
Won't go anywhere. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:10 - Aug 15 with 102 views | Trequartista |
At least there are presidential negotiations which is more than what the last administration managed, but alas I can't see any deal occurring and I reckon he'll eventually go down the sanctions and indirect sanctions route.
Some commentators are pretending not to know what he means by land-swaps with Ukraine not presently occupying any Russian territory, but I think it's plain he means swapping land currently occupied, for example Russia have the whole of the Donbas and give up Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. That's not great for Ukraine but that would be better than losing it with thousands more dead. But I don't think Putin will even go for that, he's so far shown he's happy to make painfully slow gains with the loss of thousands of his own. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:10]
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:14 - Aug 15 with 70 views | Bluesky |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:04 - Aug 15 by J2BLUE |
It's a delaying tactic by Putin. He is not going to 'make a deal' when they are gaining ground.
He is going to play Trump and get a load of concessions/economic deals for vague promises which won't come off. Putin will probably have the Russian military launch the biggest bombardment of the war as soon as he gets home just to publicly show how pathetic Trump is.
'Strongman' Trump will come out of the meeting like he's been brainwashed parroting Russian propaganda. |
I meant an uppy cos you nailed it. |  | | |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:27 - Aug 15 with 29 views | Guthrum |
Vance is currently out of the way, so it's unlikely to be a public row followed by nuclear war.
I suspect that whatever is decided today will be irrelevant (so far as Trump is concerned) by next week when little changes on the ground in Ukraine - or the sky overhead.
I think that Trump will be wanting something concrete from the Russians and will not be happy with mere platitudes followed by no action. He doesn't like being denied, nor is he happy at the insinuation he has been hoodwinked by Putin.
People cite the Helsinki meeting as evidence that Trump will just side with Putin. However, that was over the matter of Russian election interference in 2016 - something which touched directly upon the US President's interests. This matter is rather different and the outcome less certain. |  |
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| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:31 - Aug 15 with 5 views | Blueschev |
| Trumpy and Vlad then what do we think on 10:10 - Aug 15 by Trequartista |
At least there are presidential negotiations which is more than what the last administration managed, but alas I can't see any deal occurring and I reckon he'll eventually go down the sanctions and indirect sanctions route.
Some commentators are pretending not to know what he means by land-swaps with Ukraine not presently occupying any Russian territory, but I think it's plain he means swapping land currently occupied, for example Russia have the whole of the Donbas and give up Kherson and Zaporizhzhia. That's not great for Ukraine but that would be better than losing it with thousands more dead. But I don't think Putin will even go for that, he's so far shown he's happy to make painfully slow gains with the loss of thousands of his own. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:10]
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My guess would be that Putin needs an out of what is a blood soaked and costly stalemate. I doubt that the Russian population will continue to tolerate thousands of troops dying in what is a conflict of choice indefinitely, and he will look back nervously to what happened to the Soviet Union after the debacle in Afghanistan.
If Putin can keep hold of certain territories and secure reassurances regarding Ukraine and NATO membership, he can spin what has been a largely disastrous campaign as mission accomplished, and Trump can spin it at as all his idea. It would be a win win for two awful human beings. |  | | |
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