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Important article about fire safety and de-regulation 09:49 - Nov 18 with 730 viewsSteve_M

The case that the British state has abdicated it's responsibility is well made. When politicians talk about cutting regulation and red tape all too often it's without any consideration of the merits of that regulation. In some cases the cost is tragic.

https://members.tortoisemedia.com/2019/11/16/grenfell-and-fire-regs/content.html


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Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 09:53 - Nov 18 with 711 viewsBlueBadger

As always, the liberterians who hate government interference in people's lives are only interested in the removal of 'interference' that might cost the very rich a few quid.

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Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 10:05 - Nov 18 with 687 viewslowhouseblue

we need to know if it's a case of too little regulation or the failure of the regulation that is in place. the buildings regs have clearly gone horrendously wrong, but understanding why is going to be complex. the 2nd part of the grenfell enquiry is desperately needed.

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Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 10:15 - Nov 18 with 670 viewsSteve_M

Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 10:05 - Nov 18 by lowhouseblue

we need to know if it's a case of too little regulation or the failure of the regulation that is in place. the buildings regs have clearly gone horrendously wrong, but understanding why is going to be complex. the 2nd part of the grenfell enquiry is desperately needed.


Yes, that is needed but some things are already clear as the article shows. The switch from a 'prescriptive' rulebook to a 'functional' one chief amongst them. It also looks likely that the government chose not to enforce existing rules stringently, given that it decided to immediately post-Grenfell.

The timing of the fire in Bolton this weekend merely highlights the lack of urgency in addressing many of these issues. How many more aspects of the state could be better managed were it not for Brexit?

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Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 10:26 - Nov 18 with 651 viewslowhouseblue

Important article about fire safety and de-regulation on 10:15 - Nov 18 by Steve_M

Yes, that is needed but some things are already clear as the article shows. The switch from a 'prescriptive' rulebook to a 'functional' one chief amongst them. It also looks likely that the government chose not to enforce existing rules stringently, given that it decided to immediately post-Grenfell.

The timing of the fire in Bolton this weekend merely highlights the lack of urgency in addressing many of these issues. How many more aspects of the state could be better managed were it not for Brexit?


yes I agree. the switch from prescriptive to functional probably made sense at a time when technology was changing rapidly (new materials) and building performance standards were also changing radically (energy efficiency etc). there has been a monumental failure - but understanding why those decisions were made and why the risks were not identified is going to be complex.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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