| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone 13:11 - Nov 26 with 1430 views | TalkingBlues |
and I can honestly say, that I don't feel like I will ever complain about the officiating in one of our games again.
In a televised game, for ref and linesmen to get virtually every decision wrong and certainly every meaningful decision, is just not good enough, it's embarrassingly bad, surely there has to be some sort of investigation, do they get paid for this "work"? [Post edited 26 Nov 2022 13:11]
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 13:17 - Nov 26 with 1368 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
It is almost like the lower the level, not only does the skill of the players get worse but so does the skill of the officials.
Do you referee if you could do a better job of it? I doubt the officials at this make a living from it. |  |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:14 - Nov 26 with 1241 views | TalkingBlues |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 13:17 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It is almost like the lower the level, not only does the skill of the players get worse but so does the skill of the officials.
Do you referee if you could do a better job of it? I doubt the officials at this make a living from it. |
Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc, so what makes one better than the other, or indeed worse? | |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:15 - Nov 26 with 1240 views | WeWereZombies |
Although I note that the Linnets keeper has the surname 'Jones', there is a chance that he is Welsh and hoping he is only keeper Wales can call on come Tuesday (if emergency call ups are allowed for the World Cup), his glacial reaction time might give Harry Kane a chance of getting a goal at the moment... |  |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:20 - Nov 26 with 1213 views | WeWereZombies |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:14 - Nov 26 by TalkingBlues |
Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc, so what makes one better than the other, or indeed worse? |
The faster the game and the more sophisticated the 'dark arts' then the more pressure there is on referees and linos to keep up with the game and to interpret what is going on. There is a system for assessing referees and moving them up the league pyramid according to how they cope with athletic requirements as well as implementing the rule book, it is a very challenging task. | |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:42 - Nov 26 with 1140 views | jayessess |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:14 - Nov 26 by TalkingBlues |
Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc, so what makes one better than the other, or indeed worse? |
I think there's less variation in ability than we often imagine.
That said, I don't think they're all full time at our level? |  |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:47 - Nov 26 with 1127 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:14 - Nov 26 by TalkingBlues |
Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc, so what makes one better than the other, or indeed worse? |
"Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc"
Really?
You don't think better officials progress to a higher level? You don't think there are higher level courses for those who officiate at a higher level? You don't think those who are paid more will be able to dedicate more time to their fitness and to courses, etc?
Why should officials at a lower level be as good as those at a higher one? | |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:54 - Nov 26 with 1102 views | longtimefan |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:47 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc"
Really?
You don't think better officials progress to a higher level? You don't think there are higher level courses for those who officiate at a higher level? You don't think those who are paid more will be able to dedicate more time to their fitness and to courses, etc?
Why should officials at a lower level be as good as those at a higher one? |
Indeed. You can also add in the fact that Premier League and Championship referees are full time unlike those in lower leagues. |  | | |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 15:15 - Nov 26 with 1054 views | TalkingBlues |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 14:47 - Nov 26 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"Is there a reason that the ability of officials in lower leagues is worse? Surely they all do the same courses etc"
Really?
You don't think better officials progress to a higher level? You don't think there are higher level courses for those who officiate at a higher level? You don't think those who are paid more will be able to dedicate more time to their fitness and to courses, etc?
Why should officials at a lower level be as good as those at a higher one? |
You've skipped my questions completely, which was the whole point, what makes some better than others?
Presumably the current crop of Prem/Championship referees didn't waltz straight into the top leagues, but rather progressed through a pathway designed for referees. What made them any better than others? If there are metrics in place that assess all aspects of a referees journey and their suitability for the role, then many will be identified as weak in areas, if they cannot be successfully coached to a defined standard in that area, is it then ok to just say "oh well, he/she can't do this/that effectively so we'll just throw them into lower league games" and subsequently accept a poor standard of officiating in lower tier football? Any other industry, they wouldn't get the job, so why do we just accept that lower league refs are bad? Doesn't seem right to me. | |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 15:22 - Nov 26 with 1017 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 15:15 - Nov 26 by TalkingBlues |
You've skipped my questions completely, which was the whole point, what makes some better than others?
Presumably the current crop of Prem/Championship referees didn't waltz straight into the top leagues, but rather progressed through a pathway designed for referees. What made them any better than others? If there are metrics in place that assess all aspects of a referees journey and their suitability for the role, then many will be identified as weak in areas, if they cannot be successfully coached to a defined standard in that area, is it then ok to just say "oh well, he/she can't do this/that effectively so we'll just throw them into lower league games" and subsequently accept a poor standard of officiating in lower tier football? Any other industry, they wouldn't get the job, so why do we just accept that lower league refs are bad? Doesn't seem right to me. |
I don't get what you are arguing. If they can be coached to be better, why won't the better ones who are selected to progress and be further coached to be better, be better?
The very fact that those who are better and can be coached to a better standard than they already are at will stand out argues against your point. The ref in that match is probably at the peak of his career and the biggest match he has been more than the 4th official at is League 1 level. | |
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| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 17:46 - Nov 26 with 888 views | longtimefan |
| KLT v Stevenage - 23 minutes gone on 15:15 - Nov 26 by TalkingBlues |
You've skipped my questions completely, which was the whole point, what makes some better than others?
Presumably the current crop of Prem/Championship referees didn't waltz straight into the top leagues, but rather progressed through a pathway designed for referees. What made them any better than others? If there are metrics in place that assess all aspects of a referees journey and their suitability for the role, then many will be identified as weak in areas, if they cannot be successfully coached to a defined standard in that area, is it then ok to just say "oh well, he/she can't do this/that effectively so we'll just throw them into lower league games" and subsequently accept a poor standard of officiating in lower tier football? Any other industry, they wouldn't get the job, so why do we just accept that lower league refs are bad? Doesn't seem right to me. |
Your argument is nonsense I’m afraid. If you were to apply it to players then you’re suggesting anyone who isn’t good enough for the Premier League after playing a few years should give up and shouldn’t play in L1 or 2 | | | |
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