| Why we didn't 22:08 - Sep 17 with 3931 views | Ipswich24 |
Offer Burgess a 3 year deal is beyond me. The guy is immense. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 22:16 - Sep 17 with 3319 views | Nutkins_Return |
He was and he wasnt. Surely man of the match for the goals but really forest should have been walking away with a comfortable win wasn't actually a comfortable night for Burgess. Unbelievable end for the lad and what a hit!!
Underated technically on the ball Burgess.
Lacks a bit of pace like Woolfy. Shame couldn't get him to sign but it's just right that he's playing football again and he doesn't get in our team regularly. Happy for him. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 22:18 - Sep 17 with 3289 views | Everydayblue |
Don't even think it was length of contract, tbh..
He wasn't guaranteed a first team start here... And with the Aussie team qualifying for WC26, he probably wanted regular first team game time..
Agree though. He's a real solid player. And I'd like to have seen him stay. | | | |
| Why we didn't on 22:22 - Sep 17 with 3204 views | textbackup |
Because the other bloke cost £18m |  |
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| Why we didn't on 22:25 - Sep 17 with 3186 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Why we didn't on 22:18 - Sep 17 by Everydayblue |
Don't even think it was length of contract, tbh..
He wasn't guaranteed a first team start here... And with the Aussie team qualifying for WC26, he probably wanted regular first team game time..
Agree though. He's a real solid player. And I'd like to have seen him stay. |
Agreed. He wanted and needed to play. As simple as that. | |
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| Why we didn't on 22:28 - Sep 17 with 3148 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Why we didn't on 22:22 - Sep 17 by textbackup |
Because the other bloke cost £18m |
This is peak level football fan wisdom. Regardless of the fact Forest could have been 5 up and he could have been sent off. He's now by a mile better than our current LCB.
Greaves is better now and will get better and better.
Can't we just enjoy Sam's goal for what it was. A freak absolute belter! | |
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| Why we didn't on 22:28 - Sep 17 with 3127 views | Zx1988 |
Because he's not the future if we have Premier League ambitions. | |
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| Why we didn't on 22:50 - Sep 17 with 2907 views | Vic |
| Why we didn't on 22:22 - Sep 17 by textbackup |
Because the other bloke cost £18m |
Tedious. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 23:08 - Sep 17 with 2773 views | Swansea_Blue |
Hutch was pretty quiet. Skinned his man a couple of times (although his full back isn’t blessed with pace) but no end product (edit - apart from the assist lol. Other than that he was quiet).
A funny one for Burgess. A lot of wayward passing for a change and got done for pace as you’d expect, but made a goal saving tackle and did the business up top. An entertaining finish. [Post edited 17 Sep 23:32]
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| Why we didn't on 23:28 - Sep 17 with 2653 views | MVBlue |
Had a habit of scoring important goals didn't he? |  |
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| Why we didn't on 00:13 - Sep 18 with 2506 views | Swailsey |
| Why we didn't on 22:50 - Sep 17 by Vic |
Tedious. |
I’d argue there’s some truth in it though.
There’s no way Greaves has looked worth around 18x the amount Cam was.
He had a good season for Hull, but was pretty poor for us last year and cost us directly lots of goals. This year he’s had one good day so far; but I’d swap for Cam in a heartbeat. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 00:44 - Sep 18 with 2452 views | bournemouthblue |
| Why we didn't on 00:13 - Sep 18 by Swailsey |
I’d argue there’s some truth in it though.
There’s no way Greaves has looked worth around 18x the amount Cam was.
He had a good season for Hull, but was pretty poor for us last year and cost us directly lots of goals. This year he’s had one good day so far; but I’d swap for Cam in a heartbeat. |
Cam reads the game better, has a very underated left foot and a good football brain
The shelf is higher for Greaves certainly, let's hope this season really brings him on and the relationship with O'Shea flourishes |  |
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| Why we didn't on 00:45 - Sep 18 with 2448 views | Swailsey |
| Why we didn't on 00:44 - Sep 18 by bournemouthblue |
Cam reads the game better, has a very underated left foot and a good football brain
The shelf is higher for Greaves certainly, let's hope this season really brings him on and the relationship with O'Shea flourishes |
I keep hearing that for Greaves (I said it a few times myself at the start) but I’m really yet to see it.
Let’s hope it happens soon! | |
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| Why we didn't on 03:55 - Sep 18 with 2242 views | Everydayblue |
| Why we didn't on 00:13 - Sep 18 by Swailsey |
I’d argue there’s some truth in it though.
There’s no way Greaves has looked worth around 18x the amount Cam was.
He had a good season for Hull, but was pretty poor for us last year and cost us directly lots of goals. This year he’s had one good day so far; but I’d swap for Cam in a heartbeat. |
Think last year was a weird one for some of our newer recruits..
They all had big boots to fill, given the double promotion achieved by players they replaced.
Most of whom were still in the building and no doubt feeling a bit disgruntled.
Can't imagine what the atmosphere must have been like.
I'm expecting them all to kick on this season, after the massive clear out..
We've already seen an instantly more confident Phylogene and J.Clarke, since the departures of Broady and Chappers.
I'm sure Greaves will find the form that gave him the price tag. And keep on improving. We don't know his ceiling yet. | | | |
| Why we didn't on 04:46 - Sep 18 with 2145 views | 2-5-7 |
| Why we didn't on 22:18 - Sep 17 by Everydayblue |
Don't even think it was length of contract, tbh..
He wasn't guaranteed a first team start here... And with the Aussie team qualifying for WC26, he probably wanted regular first team game time..
Agree though. He's a real solid player. And I'd like to have seen him stay. |
Not going to get into the staying bit as he's gone now. Very much liked him as a player though.
Top for us and thats a great finish for the winner. What a football night to enjoy for the homes fans.
Mention of him wanting to be playing regularly and tonight he captained them, which I'm not sure he did with us.
So fair play to him. |  | | |
| Why we didn't on 05:43 - Sep 18 with 2015 views | chicoazul |
He didn’t want to compete for the shirt and jumped when an offer came in. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 06:20 - Sep 18 with 1887 views | ITFCSG |
| Why we didn't on 05:43 - Sep 18 by chicoazul |
He didn’t want to compete for the shirt and jumped when an offer came in. |
Compete for the shirt?
He was clearly not favoured once Greaves was signed.
Ditto for Woolfy and Broady. If I was him I’d want to jump ship also. | | | |
| Why we didn't on 06:46 - Sep 18 with 1782 views | textbackup |
| Why we didn't on 22:28 - Sep 17 by Nutkins_Return |
This is peak level football fan wisdom. Regardless of the fact Forest could have been 5 up and he could have been sent off. He's now by a mile better than our current LCB.
Greaves is better now and will get better and better.
Can't we just enjoy Sam's goal for what it was. A freak absolute belter! |
I saw nothing of the game, but the goal.
But to date I’ve seen nothing to make JG and better player. Just my opinion of course | |
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| Why we didn't on 06:52 - Sep 18 with 1761 views | Kieran_Knows |
I loved the bloke and a terrific defender for us - I actually have him alongside Morsy as the most improved players under McKenna … but let’s have it right, he’s joined Swansea. He went from being linked with Girona and La Liga, to signing for Swansea.
Not a disrespect, but as pointed out on here after the window finished, whilst it was incredibly difficult to see a number of our double promotion players leave, they all made backwards moves, rather than upwards. |  |
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| Why we didn't on 07:19 - Sep 18 with 1612 views | Vic |
| Why we didn't on 06:52 - Sep 18 by Kieran_Knows |
I loved the bloke and a terrific defender for us - I actually have him alongside Morsy as the most improved players under McKenna … but let’s have it right, he’s joined Swansea. He went from being linked with Girona and La Liga, to signing for Swansea.
Not a disrespect, but as pointed out on here after the window finished, whilst it was incredibly difficult to see a number of our double promotion players leave, they all made backwards moves, rather than upwards. |
I think that's ghe thihg we have to keep in mind. I liked Burg and would have been happy for him to stay; in fact I think the club offered him a deal didntbthey? If so itvshows they were happy for him to stay too. In my opinion he'd have been a great squad option, but line is that he choose to go for more career reasons. Cant blame him.
Is Grieves better? KM obs thinks that overall he is and I have to respect his judgement. £18m better - jury is out, but that was the Prem premium wasnt it. | |
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| Why we didn't on 08:00 - Sep 18 with 1343 views | bsw72 |
Because the club committing to a 3 year deal with a solid championship defender coming up to his 30th birthday makes absolutely no sense from a football or business aspect, especially a club with clear PL ambitions.
This is just supporter bias in practice, and we have seen it with a lot of the group who achieved double promotions, and even those loanees in cameo roles.
It is not unusal that when a popular player is absent (injured/dropped/rested/left the club) fans often remember their best moments and fill the gap with idealised expectations, making them seem better than they usually were.
This is driven by common cognitive biases: the halo effect where one or two key positive impressions colour overall judgmen, the fact that these standout highlights are easier to recall and are remembered more positively, confirmation and ingroup bias where fans favour evidence that supports their belief and scarcity principle, again where absence increases perceived value. Ingroup bias has been a huge thing with the Ipswich 22-24 squad and fan perception, and I think has hindered acceptance to a number of new players into the squad.
The simple truth is that Burgess was a good player for us, but is not the future to build on and was not good enough to earn that 3 year deal. |  | | |
| Why we didn't on 08:10 - Sep 18 with 1256 views | Keno |
| Why we didn't on 08:00 - Sep 18 by bsw72 |
Because the club committing to a 3 year deal with a solid championship defender coming up to his 30th birthday makes absolutely no sense from a football or business aspect, especially a club with clear PL ambitions.
This is just supporter bias in practice, and we have seen it with a lot of the group who achieved double promotions, and even those loanees in cameo roles.
It is not unusal that when a popular player is absent (injured/dropped/rested/left the club) fans often remember their best moments and fill the gap with idealised expectations, making them seem better than they usually were.
This is driven by common cognitive biases: the halo effect where one or two key positive impressions colour overall judgmen, the fact that these standout highlights are easier to recall and are remembered more positively, confirmation and ingroup bias where fans favour evidence that supports their belief and scarcity principle, again where absence increases perceived value. Ingroup bias has been a huge thing with the Ipswich 22-24 squad and fan perception, and I think has hindered acceptance to a number of new players into the squad.
The simple truth is that Burgess was a good player for us, but is not the future to build on and was not good enough to earn that 3 year deal. |
Blimey Bswy, that possibly the most clear, simply well thought out reasonable reply Ive seen posted on here!!
Its a shame but I doubt it will catch on |  |
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| Why we didn't on 08:17 - Sep 18 with 1212 views | bsw72 |
| Why we didn't on 08:10 - Sep 18 by Keno |
Blimey Bswy, that possibly the most clear, simply well thought out reasonable reply Ive seen posted on here!!
Its a shame but I doubt it will catch on |
Sorry, it won't happen again, don't want to set unreasonable expectations.
Couldn't sleep so at my desk at 6:45am and managed to get some clear uninterrupted thought processes down on [electronic] paper.
Made sense to use those thoughts on TWTD rather than on my multiple work challenges, obviously. | | | |
| Why we didn't on 08:25 - Sep 18 with 1157 views | BlueForYou |
I'm a huge Cameron Burgess fan. I think he would have kept improving for us as he had done previously. Every year he got better. These days 34 isn't old, provided bad injuries haven't got in the way. So we could easily have kept him for four more years. Have said many times he had captaincy in him & he proved that, & I always thought he had a bit of Terry Butcher about him too. A big loss, & I don't see Swansea as a backward move either, they're in our division. |  | | |
| Why we didn't on 08:29 - Sep 18 with 1133 views | Churchman |
| Why we didn't on 07:19 - Sep 18 by Vic |
I think that's ghe thihg we have to keep in mind. I liked Burg and would have been happy for him to stay; in fact I think the club offered him a deal didntbthey? If so itvshows they were happy for him to stay too. In my opinion he'd have been a great squad option, but line is that he choose to go for more career reasons. Cant blame him.
Is Grieves better? KM obs thinks that overall he is and I have to respect his judgement. £18m better - jury is out, but that was the Prem premium wasnt it. |
Agree with that. I can fully understand why he wanted regular first team football, especially with his international career. He is in his late 20s now. He knows his career is finite and shining his @rse on the car seats clearly isn’t for him. Same for Chaplin, who is a terrific player. I wanted both to stay.
However, players come and go. All part of the cycle of life and very few players hold the same attachment to a football club as supporters, however many times they kiss the badge.
I was simply pleased to see him score those goals last night. A game for him to remember. As it goes, whilst he was great in the air I didn’t think his general defending was at its best. He was lucky with the offside - he’d have been sent off otherwise. Lucky Forest were wasteful too. They could have easily won that at a canter.
Had they done so the opportunity to rubbish Greaves (is he being promoted up the hate target list order after Philogene’s performance last week?) wouldn’t have happened.
Is Greaves a better player? In my view, and clearly McKenna’s, yes. McKenna’s playing him over Burgess has nothing to do with his fee (a reported £15m + add ons). To imply that, as one or two have, is to suggest McKenna is weak or that somebody else is picking the team. Neither is correct. Let’s face it, McKenna didn’t hang around binning Muric once his confidence collapsed.
Is he £18m better than Burgess is an interesting question. Going on the reported initial figure of £15m it makes him 20 times better than Burgess whose fee was £750k in 2021 (bargain!). Of course he isn’t so that makes Greaves a waste of money. Or does it?
Times have changed in four years and so has this club and the pond it’s fishing in. Buying from Accrington Stanley as a L1 club is not the same as where we were a year ago and neither is the market. For example, look at what Birmingham lobbed out last season and many a non-Premier League club this.
My view - forget what players used to cost. It’s irrelevant. I do think we paid top dollar for him for the reason you give. However, that’s not his fault and I believe he will prove worthy of that in a settled side that wins games (god willing) and grows. [Post edited 18 Sep 8:30]
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| Why we didn't on 08:32 - Sep 18 with 1095 views | Keno |
| Why we didn't on 08:17 - Sep 18 by bsw72 |
Sorry, it won't happen again, don't want to set unreasonable expectations.
Couldn't sleep so at my desk at 6:45am and managed to get some clear uninterrupted thought processes down on [electronic] paper.
Made sense to use those thoughts on TWTD rather than on my multiple work challenges, obviously. |
In all of the time management studies I have undertaken posting on TWTD has come above multiple work challenges but just below a pee/dump break [Post edited 18 Sep 9:10]
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