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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 23:17 26 Jul 2024
Lol at me for caring enough to grab my dictionary, take a photo and paste it on here on a Friday night, but clearly I do because I've done it. 😅
Please see meaning 2 for 'cruel' and also the legal definition for 'cruelty'. I rest my case your honour.
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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 23:04 26 Jul 2024
I would suggest you update your dictionary then, or make use of online resources. It is pushing it to supply a single definition for a word and pretend there are not further meanings, especially with the internet at our fingertips.
I don't believe she thought she was causing no discomfort or distress. I didn't say I thought that. My point was that it isn't important for determining whether her actions were cruel, given the plural definitions for cruelty. Given the audience for her behaviour (I believe she was conducting a lesson), I think it's possible she considered her training strict and necessary, rather than cruel, at the time.
Edit: No attempt to excuse her behaviour obviously. It was cruel. [Post edited 26 Jul 23:06]
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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 22:10 26 Jul 2024
You are arguing 'cruelty' has one narrow definition, which isn't the case. More commonly (and colloquially) it means willful action, inaction or behaviour with intent to cause pain or suffering, typically for pleasure but sometimes indifference. Its other meaning is to cause pain or suffering, with or without intent. In the legal context, 'cruelty' doesn't require intent or desire to inflict pain or suffering.
We also often use 'cruelty' when describing a victim's experiences. "It's cruel you had to go through that". "I'm sorry for the cruelty you experienced". We are able to determine that the individual suffered cruelty without knowing the thoughts of the perpetrator. Their motives are irrelevant to accurate use of the word in this context.
If we all agreed on a definition from the beginning then this probably wouldn't have made quite so many pages. Incidentally, it's possible Dujardin didn't believe she was being cruel in using the whip to correct and control the horse. This may have been her normal training method and she may have felt that horses are built to happily withstand such treatment, without experiencing notable pain or trauma. No matter her intention though it is cruelty to the horse. |
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Reply | Jordan James
at 15:52 26 Jul 2024
I would say Morsy has been a more complete midfielder during his time here. Brilliant at the defensive work, protecting possession and offloading it to more creative players, but also at driving the ball forwards, making key passes, assists, and of course his eye for goal.
The excitement for this rumour is good enough for me, but I hope our interest in him is as a player to develop like Taylor, rather than as the clear starter I think we also need. |
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Reply | Jordan James
at 14:10 26 Jul 2024
Yeah he thought he was a young Wayne Rooney when he scored that goal. |
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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 14:07 26 Jul 2024
I'm bowing out now as it happens in favour of shallower waters lol, but thanks all for the interesting thread. |
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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 13:02 26 Jul 2024
Where reasonable expectations around empathy, consideration, understanding and so forth aren't met, in my opinion.
A particularly warped mind may lack the usual capacity for recognising their actions as cruel, when courts of law or public opinion may be certain that they were. Practices like FGM are cruel in my opinion, though the practicers and proponents of this custom would disagree with me. A dog has suffered cruelty if it's been left without food and water for a week, even if the owner was only negligent on account of forgetfulness (it may be argued, certainly by the legal definition).
Acts of cruelty may be unwittingly committed on animals or other humans because a human doesn't recognise their ability to feel a particular pain, or recognise the infliction of said pain as cruelty, or even pain, or because a human lacks the interest to explore whether their action has the potential or likelihood to inflict unnecessary suffering or be considered cruel by their peers. |
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Reply | How is repeatedly whipping a horse
at 11:51 26 Jul 2024
+1 good thread.
Areas of exploration to keep it rumbling:
Conceptions of cruelty and the importance of intent. Is intention to cause suffering a necessary component in determining cruelty for any given action or inaction? A victim-focused interpretation would argue to the negative, with intent an exacerbating but inessential factor.
Causing pain to animals for food vs. for sport or entertainment: how well does this distinction hold up to scrutiny in Britain 2024? Is meat consumption an important component in a healthy diet, or is it rather a 'pleasure activity' sometimes masquerading as a human need, in a land with such bountiful food options?
We accept there is a positive correlation between the cost of meat and said animal's welfare in life and killing. At the price point whereby said animal was no longer subjected to an unduly cruel existence, how affordable is regular meat consumption for most? Recent studies now point towards a complete vegetarian diet being cheaper than the all-devouring alternative, even when welfare standards are disregarded. Is it similarly true for veganism?
I would rather be Dujarin's whipped horse than the average supermarket pork sausage, but I'm also open to the high welfare pig experience that a few farms may offer (to include applying sunscreen during hot weather). Despite my username I do eat both seafood and meat quite regularly, but I'm not confident I do so ethically truth be told. |
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Reply | Stadium Upgrade video
at 20:30 25 Jul 2024
 Best explanation I've heard for much of his decision-making is that he did it from in there! |
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Reply | Stadium Upgrade video
at 19:57 25 Jul 2024
Sorry people but we're miles off! Stairs in a cupboard! |
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Reply | How many more incomings then?
at 15:38 25 Jul 2024
Sounds to me like a source-off, whose is better do we think? I'd happily see both here but CM and 9 are pressing areas too, so one + a loan is perhaps the better use of funds. |
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Reply | ballot news?
at 15:22 25 Jul 2024
A fair bit more expensive sure but with STs unavailable, some will have done this. |
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Reply | Jack Clarke linked
at 21:09 23 Jul 2024
Baller alert and most predictable! Clarke is the only player left in the Championship who comes close to matching those attributes which made Philogene our #1 🎯 (with the understanding that Leeds' men are too expensive). |
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Reply | Resale platform continues for 24/25
at 15:35 23 Jul 2024
Knock-on effect is this tempts people to sell via non-official channels, maybe even tout, so I'm in favour of the club encouraging people to use this scheme to the fullest. It benefits them financially to operate it too. If individuals are found to be making little personal use of their ST, to the extent the club feels they really ought not to own one, then opening dialogue with said people and case-by-case judgements seems a good approach. |
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Reply | Besiktas Clearout
at 09:54 23 Jul 2024
I'm guessing we don't know the intensity levels he's capable of these days. That would be my chief worry and suggestion as to why Besiktas have encouraged him to leave for free, as there shouldn't be a quality issue. |
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Reply | Away day ballot percentage
at 20:18 22 Jul 2024
D'oh just occurred to me that away capacity isn't just priority scheme + ballot, we've got the chunk for staff and celebrity friends as well haven't we. If to the ballot is 5% then complementary will no doubt exceed that for popular away games. |
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Reply | Away day ballot percentage
at 18:23 22 Jul 2024
Yeah it's mathematically impossible, unless my category of 15+ is also considered a higher group (I don't personally).
Highly implausible I should have said. Theoretically we could have had 4800 members going half the time, all in the 20+ group with memberships redeemed, but in reality we have a core group who go most if not all of the time, plus a healthy group of members who go a handful of times. I'm convinced 2850 priority seats would allow for plenty in the 15+ group to begin with, which I consider to be a lower category. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:36]
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Reply | Advanced talks with Szmodics say Sky…
at 17:59 22 Jul 2024
Ah yes there are some precedents for middle-aged EFL players going for a fair old whack. I do wonder how often buyer's remorse followed these purchases though, and double digits on Szmodics would make losing out on Philogene feel all that more sore.
I've now read the thread properly and see we've honed in on an £8m figure. That to me feels fair business too, providing we're convinced last season is his new normal. [Post edited 22 Jul 18:05]
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