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at 10:37 4 Sep 2025

I can confirm Ipswich are in it. Though my serious answer is that I can't really say anything about it to that detail, but I do have a feeling there will be a strong section of people who feel that the benefits of the 1 year hiatus aren't obvious.
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FM 24
at 10:00 4 Sep 2025

Late November is what some of us are informally guessing. This is based purely on the time they gave us closed beta invites relative to when they usually give them out
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This article is less than 5 years old
at 09:49 4 Sep 2025

Those were the days, when someone on here had a persistent obsession with Norwood and kinda left the board around the same time he did...

I would *never* imply that someone from this board was Norwood and bigging himself up, but should OriginalMarkyP be a user name on any Fleetwood forums...
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Conor Chaplin should be admitted to our hall of fame
at 09:39 4 Sep 2025

I was thinking about this recently and how legends and icons are often titles we give for people who perform wonders at the top level. However, is the Burley Promotion into Europe actually more impressive than double promotion?

On paper, absolutely it is - however, when we look at football finances and how promotion to the PL and Europe hadn't quite reached the levels it has now, maybe the double promotion was more unlikely and impressive to achieve.

When we were in our 15 year "Everton of the Championship" era, achieving a series of mid table finishes, we were often lamenting how parachute payments and reckless financial spending (Derby in particular) made promotion harder goal to achieve - promotion always felt like a closed door.

However, in comes McKenna and takes us from a club that was starting to look like relegation to L2 was just as plausible as promotion to L1, galvanised it and added to the squad built under uncomfortable stewardship and marched to the premier league via back to back automatic promotions.

If you ask me, that is more impressive than the already remarkable feat from George Burley, and his players. So, Connor Chaplin as a club legend? Yes. Did he do more than Reuser? Yes. Keep in mind that Reuser was, and is, my favourite player I have ever watched live - so this is quite an admission from me.

Shoutout to Wes Burns, Morsy and Burgess who also deserve that accolade imho.

Burgess is a whole other box of kippers too as he did seem to fit the bill at all when he first joined, and now - he's probably one of our biggest losses.
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Scum fan
at 09:46 3 Sep 2025

Lost its wow factor or racism has been normalised

Either way xenophobia is probably more appropriate of a label in many of these cases
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3 big challenges for McKenna
at 07:39 3 Sep 2025

These men will struggle and sacrifice so that we might live better.

COYB
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Collective headless re: Chappers
at 07:36 3 Sep 2025

He will always be the boy next door to me, just sadly his career told him that the club for his leather is two blocks away.
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Big Mick has got a podcast
at 07:33 3 Sep 2025

I like it, but then Mick always did have a dry humour that I liked. His football might be tired and boring, but as a podder its like having a 3rd Grandad, well... 1st now as both of mine are dead.
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Manager
at 17:03 30 Aug 2025

That is a farl point, only one thing for it... send for the man...

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Mckenna out!!!
at 16:54 30 Aug 2025

As in Town, or the fans? *grabs my coat*
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Manager
at 16:53 30 Aug 2025

I don't think it is time to fire shots at the manager, but it is definitely time to start asking tough questions
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Mckenna out!!!
at 16:42 30 Aug 2025

I'm also losing patients faster than Harold Shipman; what we need is Merlin the Magician
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A slightly different twist to Waller's question
at 12:23 30 Aug 2025

Promotion via playoff, if promoted, is hands down superior to clinching top spots.

Emotion:
Playoff euphoria is the feeling of a cup win and relief, however it does mean we don't get the last home game party atmosphere.

Money:
IIRC - the playoff winners tend to net a bit more than the top two for Wembley receipts and merchandise.
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Ashton Out
at 08:17 30 Aug 2025

sitting here, but only because I am leaving room for more excitement before 7pm on Monday.
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The box is coming out AGAIN…
at 08:07 30 Aug 2025

Lesser Bristol FC fans will be happy that David Brent came out to play the part of Mark Ashton for this one. (IYKYK)
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Ashton Out
at 07:59 30 Aug 2025

to prove his detractors wrong this morning by completing what has been a very tough transfer window. Although our start needs to turn around sharpish, I think this window is quite exciting as we're once again working with a number of players who will grow with us and stand to be massively improved over the course of a season - versus signing reactionary as we got promoted a little sooner than the recruitment process was probably ready for.

Now, over to you KM - we need to get the McKenna Magic back on the grass.

COYB
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Happy Daddy's Day
at 10:37 15 Jun 2025

To all my fellow gym bosses out there
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Things you won't miss about the Premier League
at 01:36 3 Apr 2025

Much more succinct than i put it. Kinda catch 22. The journey is much more exciting than the destination.
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Brandon Williams interview with Ben Foster
at 19:45 2 Apr 2025

I have a lot of empathy for people and agree in principle - however, we have to consider the ties we make in football. We are emotionally connected to our club and the people who control the fate of that club are going to be under scrutiny.

I believe it is important to distinguish between player and person and abuse should never be targeted at the person. I believe that the player is not immune from stern critique but we have to make sure it is not something that becomes abusive.
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Things you won't miss about the Premier League
at 19:36 2 Apr 2025

This comment is related to the OP's point but not in the format.

I am fortunate enough to have experienced Town's last two premiership stays and the difference between both is night and day. Now, I have considered that our first season in Burley's tenure was incredible and could maybe bias this account, but then I consider the next season and ease away from the bias.

It has felt bad this season. Performance is a part of that undoubtedly, especially when we spent as much as we did to not really impact our chances.

Is McKenna and Ashton to blame for that?

Have we mismanaged assets?
Possibly, to an extent

Has McKenna met his match?
I don't think so

I just think the feeling in the league is way different. I also blame saturation. We now live in a time where we don't have to have visited a ground to be intimately aware of it. In the 90's the internet was far from the norm and the papers, MOTD and word of mouth were your key communication as to how special this new place we could visit was. Going to another ground was exciting and sometimes overwhelming as those accounts of the place started to become a reality. Now, with content saturation you end up probably thinking either "This is cool" or "I don't see the fuss".

The league is incredibly lopsided. Yes, you had your elite clubs in the day as well - but no game felt patently unwinnable. That is to say a big club having a bad game usually meant a smaller club having a good game could overcome them. Now it almost feels like a big club having a bad game means you're going to lose, but maybe not by such a country mile.

I think this is my biggest comparison - nothing felt impossible when the club was running well. I would say that McKenna has the club running well, albeit some questions are raised around game management. It seems like those powers that be have the club running well too. Certainly more so when it felt like Sheepshanks was being stringy in the Championship and then blew his proverbial load when in the premier league (and we all know where that lead).

In short though, I really haven't been invested in the PL this season. Even day one felt a bit flat compared to the first day of a season freshly promoted into the Championship about a year prior.

I can't quite put my finger on any reason in particular, but a combination of things discussed in this thread certainly make sense.
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