| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) 00:05 - Feb 7 with 6392 views | The_Romford_Blue |
BUT..
I also feel a bit sad for the murderer (which seems such a strange thing to type). He clearly should've been in a unit of some sort and has stated how sorry he is and all that. It's a shame an attack of schizophrenia has meant he's gone on a rampage uncontrollably (and probably without even knowing what he was doing) which has left somebody dead. Of course this is assuming that the conclusion of an attack of schizophrenia is true - not sure how specialists know either way though they are apparently are good at making judgements on fake and real cases.
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 17:17 - Feb 7 with 1384 views | Swailsey |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 16:51 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Good work Rommy you mention the victim in what 8 words ? but the attacking fckwit gets a full story !
How would you feel if it had been your mum he attacked ? would you be so understanding? |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 17:28 - Feb 7 with 1367 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 17:04 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Thats the trouble dear chap,if the said attacker had mullered one of Rommys family members would he have been so understanding ?
No of course not.
Im out. |
Of course not
But it isn't my mum murdered. So I can keep a rational mind and perspective. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 17:30 - Feb 7 with 1361 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 16:57 - Feb 7 by taximan |
i filed this under "uppie fishing"
not as successful as previous attempts |
Seen, acknowledged, ignored | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:14 - Feb 7 with 1305 views | Darth_Koont |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 16:51 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Good work Rommy you mention the victim in what 8 words ? but the attacking fckwit gets a full story !
How would you feel if it had been your mum he attacked ? would you be so understanding? |
You seem to have zero empathy. Of course, you don't get it nor how Rommers clearly addressed the innocent victim. |  |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:16 - Feb 7 with 1292 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:14 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
You seem to have zero empathy. Of course, you don't get it nor how Rommers clearly addressed the innocent victim. |
I'm sure he knows I acknowledged the poor victims death
He's just trouble making | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:30 - Feb 7 with 1273 views | dickie |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 17:04 - Feb 7 by Benters |
Thats the trouble dear chap,if the said attacker had mullered one of Rommys family members would he have been so understanding ?
No of course not.
Im out. |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:54 - Feb 7 with 1239 views | Steve_M |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 13:56 - Feb 7 by TLA |
You certainly start some thought-provoking threads.
I posted on another thread recently that in around 2010, the Norfolk Mental Health Trust (before the merger with Suffolk) almost seemed proud of the reduction in psychiatric beds needed/available - I'm guessing that this was because of the pressure to prove how well community care worked. My GP friend challenged this at an AGM by saying five of her patients had died by suicide who might not have given the option of inpatient care.
I believe in community-based care but, if not resourced correctly, it will lead to loss of life. This is almost always of the person experiencing a mental health condition but, in rare cases like this, other people too. The media response can then create a culture where people experiencing problems won't seek help because of the stigma, thus increasing the chances of more bad outcomes. It's a vicious circle that's hard to fix. |
Have you seen Panorama this week on mental health care in Norfolk and Suffolk? I watched it this evening, fairly upsetting stuff.
An underfunded service inevitably lets patients down. [Post edited 7 Feb 2017 22:15]
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:07 - Feb 7 with 1215 views | jeera |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:30 - Feb 7 by dickie |
You are so obnoxious |
You misspelt, 'ignorant, moronic div'.
Have you not learned if it's not all about him then he's not interested. Yet he comments anyway, in search of attention.
In truth, the guy needs to be banned. His constant stupid behaviour is destroying the forum.
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:16 - Feb 7 with 1195 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:07 - Feb 7 by jeera |
You misspelt, 'ignorant, moronic div'.
Have you not learned if it's not all about him then he's not interested. Yet he comments anyway, in search of attention.
In truth, the guy needs to be banned. His constant stupid behaviour is destroying the forum.
(Cue down-votes from idiots). |
I think it genuinely disappoints him and Benters that I no longer react - or try my hardest not to
It's funny to watch the demise tbh | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:23 - Feb 7 with 1185 views | jeera |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:16 - Feb 7 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it genuinely disappoints him and Benters that I no longer react - or try my hardest not to
It's funny to watch the demise tbh |
The board has become unbearable recently with a rise of idiots whose only intention is to disrupt.
Little to no input on anything whatsoever. Just lots of bedwetting whining and infantile attention seeking.
Hopefully they'll bore themselves to oblivion. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 23:27 - Feb 7 with 1158 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 12:56 - Feb 7 by Guthrum |
What happens when the police say it's not their problem and there is no mental health unit willing or able to take them? I had this happen to a friend of mine some years ago (and there is no reason to think things have improved since). Or, if they have been taken care of, when they're released back into the community with minimum support and supervision? As happened to two other people I knew, one of whom ended up committing suicide.
Besides which, you're implying that all schitzophrenics are aware of an impending episode, rather then just slipping into a state of irrationality. [Post edited 7 Feb 2017 12:57]
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This episode had been bubbling up for a while apparently. Unfortunately, rather than seeking medical help, his father tried to cure him by taking him to mosque |  | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 01:05 - Feb 8 with 1134 views | Ryorry |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:07 - Feb 7 by jeera |
You misspelt, 'ignorant, moronic div'.
Have you not learned if it's not all about him then he's not interested. Yet he comments anyway, in search of attention.
In truth, the guy needs to be banned. His constant stupid behaviour is destroying the forum.
(Cue down-votes from idiots). |
I think his viewpoint is genuine enough (ie think of/help those closest to you first both personally and generally speaking - no doubt he'll correct me if I've got that wrong); and he can't help not having been gifted as much candlepower up top as some. What's less acceptable is his lack of preparedness to even try and see things from others' points of view (lack of empathy, as has been said before) and his lack of online willingness to even try to learn is disappointing, as others have remarked that he's a nice guy to meet in real life. |  |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 06:13 - Feb 8 with 1087 views | Benters |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:07 - Feb 7 by jeera |
You misspelt, 'ignorant, moronic div'.
Have you not learned if it's not all about him then he's not interested. Yet he comments anyway, in search of attention.
In truth, the guy needs to be banned. His constant stupid behaviour is destroying the forum.
(Cue down-votes from idiots). |
Banned and destroying the forum? Just becuase i have different views on life to you ?
You could use the ignore button if you like ? |  |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 06:15 - Feb 8 with 1086 views | Benters |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:16 - Feb 7 by The_Romford_Blue |
I think it genuinely disappoints him and Benters that I no longer react - or try my hardest not to
It's funny to watch the demise tbh |
No not really Rommy,but like you i stand by my views on life.
I speak for the laymen of the board . | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 07:50 - Feb 8 with 1055 views | Swailsey |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:16 - Feb 7 by The_Romford_Blue |
I'm sure he knows I acknowledged the poor victims death
He's just trouble making |
The problem is that Benters has a complete inability to see things from anyone else's perspective, and then tries to throw the same argument back in their faces.
It's clear to anyone reading this post and the story, that of course, a lot (if not most in some eyes) of the sympathy lies with the direct victim - that goes without saying (and I think Rommy only included it in his title to avoid such discussions, ironically), but this thread is about the broader picture. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 08:04 - Feb 8 with 1034 views | TLA |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 21:54 - Feb 7 by Steve_M |
Have you seen Panorama this week on mental health care in Norfolk and Suffolk? I watched it this evening, fairly upsetting stuff.
An underfunded service inevitably lets patients down. [Post edited 7 Feb 2017 22:15]
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Yeah, I did see it. I have a few friends who work for the Trust and they were really worried about how it would portray the work they do. There are such good people who work so hard but without the correct resources and management, it's just firefighting.
Some of the stories are heartbreaking. Mental illness is only likely to be a bigger problem in the future, with less funding. That said, there is pressure on all health services and deciding where to put the money that is available must be a nightmare. |  | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 08:20 - Feb 8 with 1025 views | Swailsey |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 08:04 - Feb 8 by TLA |
Yeah, I did see it. I have a few friends who work for the Trust and they were really worried about how it would portray the work they do. There are such good people who work so hard but without the correct resources and management, it's just firefighting.
Some of the stories are heartbreaking. Mental illness is only likely to be a bigger problem in the future, with less funding. That said, there is pressure on all health services and deciding where to put the money that is available must be a nightmare. |
Always enjoy your insight. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 09:36 - Feb 8 with 994 views | TLA |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 08:20 - Feb 8 by Swailsey |
Always enjoy your insight. |
Thanks, that's a really nice comment. I like the fact that people on here want to discuss some of these issues.
I actually don't disagree with people who think that all thoughts should be with the victims. I see it as two separate issues and my sympathy is with people who were killed, injured and terrified by the event.
However, there is another side that can be hard to think about when such a shocking thing happens. It seems that issues of dealing with mental illness culturally, and in a society with a lack of relevant resources contributed, in part, to this. A better understanding and more resources would lessen the likelihood of similar events, as well as the thousands deaths of mentally unwell people, which is rising all the time. | | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 09:49 - Feb 8 with 979 views | TLA |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 23:27 - Feb 7 by FrowsyArmLarry |
This episode had been bubbling up for a while apparently. Unfortunately, rather than seeking medical help, his father tried to cure him by taking him to mosque |
It must be distressing to experience psychosis and there are definitely differences in the way people from different cultures deal with it within families and communities.
Sometimes this leads to positive outcomes - there is some really interesting work around how to treat psychosis (without medicalising the experiences) in Finland, which is getting amazing results in initial trials.
However, someone who was clearly very disturbed in this case needed to have a different level of support to that he received. Even if all sympathy lies with the victims, better understanding and treatment might have prevented what happened. | | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 11:26 - Feb 8 with 959 views | Ryorry |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 22:07 - Feb 7 by jeera |
You misspelt, 'ignorant, moronic div'.
Have you not learned if it's not all about him then he's not interested. Yet he comments anyway, in search of attention.
In truth, the guy needs to be banned. His constant stupid behaviour is destroying the forum.
(Cue down-votes from idiots). |
Tbh Jeera, there are 2 or 3 others who are far worse in a different kind of way; they're just lucky enough to have been born with a few more braincells, so are able to go about it with more subtlety, & it therefore tends to go under the radar of most people on here. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 11:28 - Feb 8 with 956 views | Ryorry |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 08:20 - Feb 8 by Swailsey |
Always enjoy your insight. |
Couldn't agree more. | |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 12:21 - Feb 8 with 903 views | TLA |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 11:28 - Feb 8 by Ryorry |
Couldn't agree more. |
Thanks Ryorry! | | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 13:31 - Feb 8 with 866 views | Radlett_blue |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 09:36 - Feb 8 by TLA |
Thanks, that's a really nice comment. I like the fact that people on here want to discuss some of these issues.
I actually don't disagree with people who think that all thoughts should be with the victims. I see it as two separate issues and my sympathy is with people who were killed, injured and terrified by the event.
However, there is another side that can be hard to think about when such a shocking thing happens. It seems that issues of dealing with mental illness culturally, and in a society with a lack of relevant resources contributed, in part, to this. A better understanding and more resources would lessen the likelihood of similar events, as well as the thousands deaths of mentally unwell people, which is rising all the time. |
Schizophrenia as a tough one for the public as most people have very little experience or knowledge of it & they usually only hear of it when a sufferer does something horrible to someone. Most people who suffer from schizophrenia are no threat, especially with the right care, which can be a combination of cognitive therapy & medication. |  |
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| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 13:49 - Feb 8 with 851 views | TLA |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 13:31 - Feb 8 by Radlett_blue |
Schizophrenia as a tough one for the public as most people have very little experience or knowledge of it & they usually only hear of it when a sufferer does something horrible to someone. Most people who suffer from schizophrenia are no threat, especially with the right care, which can be a combination of cognitive therapy & medication. |
I think that's absolutely right. Cases like this one, which are totally tragic and in which innocent people are hurt or killed, are rare, whereas self-harm and suicide of people with who experience psychosis are common.
Outcomes of early intervention are very good but there are so many reasons why it's difficult to seek help. The symptoms are obviously one, as is the stigma of being associated with negative media coverage of the times tragedies happen.
In this case, so many people's lives have been affected. Who knows if it could have been prevented but a better understanding, less stigma and better resources might just have made a difference to so many people. | | | |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 14:33 - Feb 8 with 829 views | Benters |
| Obviously I feel very sorry for the victim (RIP) on 11:26 - Feb 8 by Ryorry |
Tbh Jeera, there are 2 or 3 others who are far worse in a different kind of way; they're just lucky enough to have been born with a few more braincells, so are able to go about it with more subtlety, & it therefore tends to go under the radar of most people on here. |
Thing is though Ryorry Jerra really does have a problem with me !
But to call for another forum member to be banned just becuase i have a different view on life really is sad.
Whats next i voted for Brexit is that another ban?
Still i went out on my bike this morn did 34 miles through woodland and down lanes,across rivers and brooks it was glorious,some on here could do with going out once in a while it might do them good.
I wont say anymore about Jerras rudness towards me .
Im out . | |
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