| Just Stop Oil 11:38 - May 25 with 12313 views | GeoffSentence |
Have done the Chelsea Flower Show now.
Is Nothing Sacred?
Edit: Just seen that Keno has done this already. [Post edited 25 May 2023 11:45]
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| Just Stop Oil on 14:48 - May 25 with 1489 views | J2BLUE |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:43 - May 25 by nodge_blue |
I just checked and Putin, China, India, gulf states and Trump have all decided that they won't just stop oil.
Shame about the garden - though I suspect the designers will be magnanimous enough to acknowledge it for being a well intentioned if misplaced act. A lot of those gardens are weed friendly, insect promoting and trying to show us how to save nature and garden in a self sufficient way.
The sad facts as pointed out by Joe is that really we are on course for significant global warming. I think we will be relying on technology at some stage to try and save us.
And in the meantime as I said to herby yesterday, I hope they don't look at ITFC's efforts to grow grass under electric lamps just so that we can play football on the deck. Though maybe we won't need that with our new pitch?? |
We'll see who the real fans are when we're donating our carbon credits. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 14:48 - May 25 with 1491 views | itfcjoe |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:43 - May 25 by nodge_blue |
I just checked and Putin, China, India, gulf states and Trump have all decided that they won't just stop oil.
Shame about the garden - though I suspect the designers will be magnanimous enough to acknowledge it for being a well intentioned if misplaced act. A lot of those gardens are weed friendly, insect promoting and trying to show us how to save nature and garden in a self sufficient way.
The sad facts as pointed out by Joe is that really we are on course for significant global warming. I think we will be relying on technology at some stage to try and save us.
And in the meantime as I said to herby yesterday, I hope they don't look at ITFC's efforts to grow grass under electric lamps just so that we can play football on the deck. Though maybe we won't need that with our new pitch?? |
If we want to reverse climate change, then really none of the hobbies we enjoy are sustainable - horse racing getting the brunt, but what does football do for the planet? Golf courses are a waste of green space. Houses are too big and unnecessary. Why brew beer and transport that around the country to drink, etc.
Science has to keep up with capitalism - a ban on fossil fuel lobbying would help enormously though |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 14:52 - May 25 with 1477 views | DanTheMan |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:42 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
What is the best we are going to get though? A 'nudge' campaign which doesn't even touch the sides....
The only way out is serious money and time being pushed towards the research and implementation of greener energy etc - it is a capitalist world after all and the only way green energy beats fossil fuels is to be cheaper and better - anything else is for the birds |
Funds and also probably laws to stop companies from doing the wrong things. Things like actually no more oil and gas should be achievable but not easy. We need a lot of infrastructure investment.
Just recently we saw that there are companies lining up to build new solar arrays. People need to basically deal with the fact we need onshore wind farms, whether they like it or not.
If we don't do anything, it's going to be very painful. If we do something now, it'll be a little less painful.
It's a seriously awful situation we've been left with but we've got to try. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 14:53 - May 25 with 1474 views | Ryorry |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:33 - May 25 by DanTheMan |
You're right that you, individually, can not do a lot. It would be like me trying to raise money for the NHS by paying slightly more taxes by myself, it's just not going to work.
It's only through action at a societal level that anything will get done. The biggest and best thing you can do is vote for people who will do something about it, whilst doing your best to cut down elsewhere.
The whole "your climate footprint" was a brilliant and horrifying piece of marketing from BP to get people to blame themselves instead of looking at them. |
Not just societal, needs to be international with all the worst offenders signing up - ie Russia, USA, China, India, Brazil etc. - see Guther's post above.
My suggestion of an international agency, like WHO but with authority & power, went down like a lead balloon t'other day, & if the (mostly) good, responsible people posting on TWTD wouldn't accept it, it's just something else that'll never happen till the situation's is in such a 'here and now imminent devastation' for the countries listed (and others) that it'll be too late.
What J2 said re individuals mostly being angry only when it affects them, also applies to nation states only being prepared to act when it's inescapable that CC is about to catastrophically affect their own landmass, population and economy. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 14:57 - May 25 with 1463 views | nodge_blue |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:48 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
If we want to reverse climate change, then really none of the hobbies we enjoy are sustainable - horse racing getting the brunt, but what does football do for the planet? Golf courses are a waste of green space. Houses are too big and unnecessary. Why brew beer and transport that around the country to drink, etc.
Science has to keep up with capitalism - a ban on fossil fuel lobbying would help enormously though |
I agree. I was thinking that as I wrote yesterday. The global carbon footprint of football must be enormous. All the travelling, power for stadiums, tens of thousands of fans flying around Europe for football games. And then there's the World Cup.
I mean if they re going to go after the Chelsea flower show then why not a football pitch?
And who gets to decide whose hobby is more important.
Like you said we could just limit ourselves to zero holidays, zero hobbies. Stop the internet as that uses huge resources.
And when we have a cold winter - as we saw last year - all we are talking about is the need for governments to make sure we get enough cheap oil and gas in the Winter. The narrative was never about oh maybe this is a good thing that people are freezing their bits off. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:01 - May 25 with 1452 views | itfcjoe |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:52 - May 25 by DanTheMan |
Funds and also probably laws to stop companies from doing the wrong things. Things like actually no more oil and gas should be achievable but not easy. We need a lot of infrastructure investment.
Just recently we saw that there are companies lining up to build new solar arrays. People need to basically deal with the fact we need onshore wind farms, whether they like it or not.
If we don't do anything, it's going to be very painful. If we do something now, it'll be a little less painful.
It's a seriously awful situation we've been left with but we've got to try. |
I agree re onshore wind etc, and like housebuilding it needs targets and people are going to have to learn to get over things, or at the very least learn to deal with it.
Energy needs to be fully green and sustainable ASAP, but a lot of it needs to get better and will in time | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:04 - May 25 with 1445 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:48 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
If we want to reverse climate change, then really none of the hobbies we enjoy are sustainable - horse racing getting the brunt, but what does football do for the planet? Golf courses are a waste of green space. Houses are too big and unnecessary. Why brew beer and transport that around the country to drink, etc.
Science has to keep up with capitalism - a ban on fossil fuel lobbying would help enormously though |
I think if anyone still thinks capitalism isn't the major problem here then we're really screwed. Rather than trying to adapt science to keep up with capitalism maybe it's time for capitalism to get in the sea. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:05 - May 25 with 1438 views | Ryorry |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:42 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
What is the best we are going to get though? A 'nudge' campaign which doesn't even touch the sides....
The only way out is serious money and time being pushed towards the research and implementation of greener energy etc - it is a capitalist world after all and the only way green energy beats fossil fuels is to be cheaper and better - anything else is for the birds |
As far as the UK's concerned, it would help if the bulk of tory PMs & cabinet ministers (and their mates in supporting industries like banking) hadn't, since the 1990s, had shares & other vested industries in fossil fuels.
Never fails to make me sick that the tory party, supposed gurus of Managing The Economy, couldn't or wouldn't see since the early 90s that there was huge scope to develop a highly profitable green economy & become world leaders in renewables - we had the higher education establishments, the research capacity, the engineers & technology to get it going. If someone like me who'd never studied economics could see it, why couldn't they? Politicians too blinkered, short-termist & corrupt is my guess  | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:05 - May 25 with 1436 views | itfcjoe |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:04 - May 25 by Herbivore |
I think if anyone still thinks capitalism isn't the major problem here then we're really screwed. Rather than trying to adapt science to keep up with capitalism maybe it's time for capitalism to get in the sea. |
But that simply isn't ever going to happen | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:06 - May 25 with 1429 views | Herbivore |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:05 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
But that simply isn't ever going to happen |
Then we're all completely screwed. | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:10 - May 25 with 1415 views | itfcjoe |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:06 - May 25 by Herbivore |
Then we're all completely screwed. |
And when you look at the timelines being spoken about for how long we need to sort this out by, then it is even more unrealistic to expect the end of capitalism to come in the next year or two | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:23 - May 25 with 1368 views | NthQldITFC |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:05 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
But that simply isn't ever going to happen |
Why?
It is going to happen one way or the other. Why not voluntarily, if necessary by unilateral action and hoping for as much example-following as possible. We have to let go and be brave and selfless and ditch our preconceptions of 'how it is'. |  |
| # WE ARE STEALING THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN --- WE MUST CHANGE COURSE # | | Poll: | It's driving me nuts |
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| Just Stop Oil on 15:25 - May 25 with 1357 views | J2BLUE |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:23 - May 25 by NthQldITFC |
Why?
It is going to happen one way or the other. Why not voluntarily, if necessary by unilateral action and hoping for as much example-following as possible. We have to let go and be brave and selfless and ditch our preconceptions of 'how it is'. |
We are going to be the ones suffering, not the rich so they will make their preparations and build their own arks ready to abandon us when the time comes. | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 16:09 - May 25 with 1327 views | StokieBlue |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:52 - May 25 by DanTheMan |
Funds and also probably laws to stop companies from doing the wrong things. Things like actually no more oil and gas should be achievable but not easy. We need a lot of infrastructure investment.
Just recently we saw that there are companies lining up to build new solar arrays. People need to basically deal with the fact we need onshore wind farms, whether they like it or not.
If we don't do anything, it's going to be very painful. If we do something now, it'll be a little less painful.
It's a seriously awful situation we've been left with but we've got to try. |
Don't understand why people don't like wind turbines.
I think they improve many landscapes, an excellent juxtaposition of human ingenuity and nature.
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| Avatar - M51 - The Whirlpool Galaxy - Taken on 29th April 2024 |
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| Just Stop Oil on 16:23 - May 25 with 1308 views | Cotty |
| Just Stop Oil on 12:11 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
Upper-Middle class white people continuing to ruin everything |
That's absolutely true, but probably not in the way you intended |  | | |
| Ha! What a bunch of divs. (n/t) on 18:16 - May 25 with 1231 views | SitfcB |
| Ha! What a bunch of divs. (n/t) on 13:42 - May 25 by GeoffSentence |
In what way? |
In every way. |  |
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| Just Stop Oil on 20:08 - May 25 with 1166 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Just Stop Oil on 14:47 - May 25 by StochesStotasBlewe |
The problem in part then is a rapidly increasing population that eventually won’t be sustainable and appears to be a topic that is increasingly overlooked or deliberately ignored.
More land and natural resources needed that are having a massive negative impact on the environment leading to the problems that we are facing and will continue to do so.
No one wants to address this issue though.
Time for a grown up debate about how to slow down the birth rate, although I suspect in time nature will find its own way. |
I found this re - Shenzhen
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| Just Stop Oil on 20:35 - May 25 with 1092 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
| Just Stop Oil on 20:31 - May 25 by eireblue |
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Dubai came to mind after seeing Lucans photo.
Would imagine in China alone there has been development on this scale in scores of places. |  |
| We have no village green, or a shop.
It's very, very quiet.
I can walk to the pub. |
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| Ha! What a bunch of divs. (n/t) on 20:43 - May 25 with 1079 views | GeoffSentence |
| Ha! What a bunch of divs. (n/t) on 18:16 - May 25 by SitfcB |
In every way. |
This is the most gentile, harmless protest imaginable. No harm done except a bit of orange colouring which will easily wash away, and people still complain.
Anyone who objects to that as a form of protest is revealing themselves as against the idea of protest at all. | |
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| Just Stop Oil on 20:48 - May 25 with 1061 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just Stop Oil on 15:10 - May 25 by itfcjoe |
And when you look at the timelines being spoken about for how long we need to sort this out by, then it is even more unrealistic to expect the end of capitalism to come in the next year or two |
It can and could be regulated though. Except for the massive self interest and £millions (£billions globally?) spent on lobbying governments to not regulate. |  |
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