| Banter or Hate? 09:09 - Jul 12 with 10922 views | CovJet |
Dear Ipswich Town supporters,
I’m a Wolves fan — coming in peace and hoping you can help me out…
But before I continue, let me congratulate you on an amazing season. I’m sure the Canaries are a tad nervous!
I’m a senior Lecturer at Birmingham City University, writing academic papers as part of my PhD portfolio (Koln University). My research has a focus on the language used by football fans at games — for some people it’s ‘banter’ and for others, it has become a ‘hate crime’. It is a complex, emotive issue.
I want to find out what you think of the language used — I want you to be honest.
The questionnaire is entirely voluntary and completely anonymous. I will only use the data I obtain for academic papers and once complete I will share the data with you on this forum. I have ethical approval granted from Koln University and approval from your administrator for this forum.
I will be comparing your answers with those from supporters of Arsenal, Watford, Wolves, Plymouth and Newcastle.
The questionnaire should only take you a couple of minutes and I would like to thank you in advance. Here is the link:
https://questionpro.com/t/AX3LcZyJou
Kind regards,
Peter Evans
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:19 - Jul 12 with 5707 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Done, but a genuine question. How did you decide on which teams to poll? With the exception of Newcastle, it seems very southern centric, with no north western, Scottish or Welsh sides.
Probably just me but that is possibly going to have a bearing on your results, and result in a restricted dataset. |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:22 - Jul 12 with 5652 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I think your questionnaire would be more valid if you asked how many games respondents had attended.
I am a former Season Ticket holder, but moved a long way away from Ipswich and don't get to many matches at Portman Road now. So much less opportunity for me to hear abuse. | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:23 - Jul 12 with 5648 views | baxterbasics |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:19 - Jul 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Done, but a genuine question. How did you decide on which teams to poll? With the exception of Newcastle, it seems very southern centric, with no north western, Scottish or Welsh sides.
Probably just me but that is possibly going to have a bearing on your results, and result in a restricted dataset. |
Indeed - can imagine a different range of answers if sent for example, to the Glasgow fans. |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:27 - Jul 12 with 5585 views | SaleAway |
YOu should probably fix the education question....
BA or MA excludes quite a large number of degree courses. Should probably say Bachelor or Masters, unless you really need to know if its in Arts, Science or Engineering | |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:28 - Jul 12 with 5567 views | backwaywhen |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:19 - Jul 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Done, but a genuine question. How did you decide on which teams to poll? With the exception of Newcastle, it seems very southern centric, with no north western, Scottish or Welsh sides.
Probably just me but that is possibly going to have a bearing on your results, and result in a restricted dataset. |
Also done , pretty basic questions and anyone who finds those chants offensive shouldn’t really be at a football match …….. Bantz. Innit . | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:28 - Jul 12 with 5557 views | DinDjarin |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:27 - Jul 12 by SaleAway |
YOu should probably fix the education question....
BA or MA excludes quite a large number of degree courses. Should probably say Bachelor or Masters, unless you really need to know if its in Arts, Science or Engineering |
I am a BSC, does that mean I am excluded? |  | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:33 - Jul 12 with 5482 views | blueasfook |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:27 - Jul 12 by SaleAway |
YOu should probably fix the education question....
BA or MA excludes quite a large number of degree courses. Should probably say Bachelor or Masters, unless you really need to know if its in Arts, Science or Engineering |
Quite I have a BSc degree, so I cant do the poll! |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:35 - Jul 12 with 5469 views | Leaky |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:27 - Jul 12 by SaleAway |
YOu should probably fix the education question....
BA or MA excludes quite a large number of degree courses. Should probably say Bachelor or Masters, unless you really need to know if its in Arts, Science or Engineering |
Does a City & Guilds or NVQ count as a qualification. Is it just degree's that count, after all they seem to be handed out like confetti these day's |  | | |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:35 - Jul 12 with 5466 views | blueasfook |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:28 - Jul 12 by backwaywhen |
Also done , pretty basic questions and anyone who finds those chants offensive shouldn’t really be at a football match …….. Bantz. Innit . |
So you're OK with homophobic chanting then? In case you didnt know, its a criminal offence. | |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:36 - Jul 12 with 5449 views | blueasfook |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:35 - Jul 12 by Leaky |
Does a City & Guilds or NVQ count as a qualification. Is it just degree's that count, after all they seem to be handed out like confetti these day's |
Yes, you are not allowed an opinion because you're not well educated enough. I bet you've got "Attended school of hard knocks" on your FB profile. | |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:48 - Jul 12 with 5309 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:35 - Jul 12 by Leaky |
Does a City & Guilds or NVQ count as a qualification. Is it just degree's that count, after all they seem to be handed out like confetti these day's |
Carol Vorderman thinks you shouldn't even get a job. | |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:50 - Jul 12 with 5283 views | BlueNomad |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:36 - Jul 12 by blueasfook |
Yes, you are not allowed an opinion because you're not well educated enough. I bet you've got "Attended school of hard knocks" on your FB profile. |
Most of those who have a PHd have had some "hard knocks". It's such a stupid boast. |  | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:54 - Jul 12 with 5227 views | wkj |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:35 - Jul 12 by Leaky |
Does a City & Guilds or NVQ count as a qualification. Is it just degree's that count, after all they seem to be handed out like confetti these day's |
Don't be a prat, degrees take an good bit of graft to walk away with a 2.1 or above and are not handed out like confetti. Similarly, anyone who claims vocational skills and qualifications are easy are also prats. |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:55 - Jul 12 with 5219 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:50 - Jul 12 by BlueNomad |
Most of those who have a PHd have had some "hard knocks". It's such a stupid boast. |
Oh, I don't know. I spent most of my PhD days hiking and camping (er, sorry, I mean 'doing fieldwork'). It seemed a much easier option than doing a real job. |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:55 - Jul 12 with 5211 views | Blueschev |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:36 - Jul 12 by blueasfook |
Yes, you are not allowed an opinion because you're not well educated enough. I bet you've got "Attended school of hard knocks" on your FB profile. |
What about if you got your degree from the University of Life? |  | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:58 - Jul 12 with 5160 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
Thought provoking, Peter.
I've selected "banter" in both instances, and "mildly offensive, should be warned" to both chants.
I think we've gone soft as a society. Taking the P out of each other is rapidly dying a death, and clearly both instances we meant jokingly with no actual hate behind them. For me there's a big difference between hateful discrimination, and joking discrimination.
Personally I'd choose not to sing either of those chants, but at the same time, if someone next to me was singing them, I'd probably just turn a blind eye. Don't need the grief. |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 09:59 - Jul 12 with 5141 views | JohnTy |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:48 - Jul 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Carol Vorderman thinks you shouldn't even get a job. |
Not true. |  | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:00 - Jul 12 with 5126 views | Leaky |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:36 - Jul 12 by blueasfook |
Yes, you are not allowed an opinion because you're not well educated enough. I bet you've got "Attended school of hard knocks" on your FB profile. |
I had a decent education, just didn't appreciate it at the time. Didn't attend the school of hard knocks, more University of common sense. | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:02 - Jul 12 with 5103 views | CovJet |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:19 - Jul 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Done, but a genuine question. How did you decide on which teams to poll? With the exception of Newcastle, it seems very southern centric, with no north western, Scottish or Welsh sides.
Probably just me but that is possibly going to have a bearing on your results, and result in a restricted dataset. |
Agreed. It will be extended to include other areas. I am restricted by the number of replies per questionnaire. The 2nd questionnaire will ask exactly the same questions to fans of other clubs. Target is now 500 responses. Thank you for your time, much appreciated. | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:03 - Jul 12 with 5075 views | CovJet |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:22 - Jul 12 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I think your questionnaire would be more valid if you asked how many games respondents had attended.
I am a former Season Ticket holder, but moved a long way away from Ipswich and don't get to many matches at Portman Road now. So much less opportunity for me to hear abuse. |
Noted. Thank you... | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:06 - Jul 12 with 5055 views | CovJet |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:27 - Jul 12 by SaleAway |
YOu should probably fix the education question....
BA or MA excludes quite a large number of degree courses. Should probably say Bachelor or Masters, unless you really need to know if its in Arts, Science or Engineering |
Thank you. Adjusted. | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:06 - Jul 12 with 5044 views | CovJet |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:28 - Jul 12 by DinDjarin |
I am a BSC, does that mean I am excluded? |
I've adjusted it, sorry... | | | |
| Banter or Hate? on 10:09 - Jul 12 with 5009 views | Dyland |
As a middle aged sometime snowflake sometime gammon English honky (that may be offensive, sorry Philav) I find it hard to decide. "We can see you holding hands" always seemed pretty innocuous and jocular, to ME (key point here). But that was thirty years ago, and I would never sing it now, nor have I heard it sang at PR in yonks. I'd still not call it a hate crime though... and I guess context and tone plays a part in what actions should be taken against people singing that, and other potentially offensive chants.
Nuanced, innit? |  |
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| Banter or Hate? on 10:15 - Jul 12 with 4943 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Banter or Hate? on 09:58 - Jul 12 by ThatMuhrenCross |
Thought provoking, Peter.
I've selected "banter" in both instances, and "mildly offensive, should be warned" to both chants.
I think we've gone soft as a society. Taking the P out of each other is rapidly dying a death, and clearly both instances we meant jokingly with no actual hate behind them. For me there's a big difference between hateful discrimination, and joking discrimination.
Personally I'd choose not to sing either of those chants, but at the same time, if someone next to me was singing them, I'd probably just turn a blind eye. Don't need the grief. |
I kind of hit the rails as the response I'd have picked isn't there. They are probably homophobic chants (if you aimed similar chants about stereotypes at black people, it would undoubtedly be considered racist), but I think people should be warned and given a change to reflect and change their behaviour. We're becoming an increasingly punitive society and I'm not convinced that leads to positive outcomes.
But then I suppose we need to be tough on racism and homophobia, so I don't know where that leaves me (except confused). | |
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