| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree 08:21 - Dec 11 with 11623 views | Steve_M |
How are they going to work if the moment something is agreed half the cabinet decide to brief to the press saying nothing is agreed and we'll renege on the bits we don't like?
Do they not realise that the rest of the World can read English? It hardly represents the UK as the outward-facing trading nation that everyone will be desperate to sign deals with. |  |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:31 - Dec 11 with 4938 views | Guthrum |
Too many people wanting to burnish their "Hard Brexiteer" credentials (seeking a personal power-base among such types) and/or wanting all deal-making to fail so they get a chance to pursue their peculiar economic/ideological theories. |  |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:43 - Dec 11 with 4918 views | No9 |
Still waiting to hear what we are going to trade.
As we are a net importer by some margin it isn't easy to see
Unless the tax system in the UK is changed it won't turn round
We will be reliant on the EU for some time to come & they will still re-patriate the profits |  | | |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:52 - Dec 11 with 4908 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:43 - Dec 11 by No9 |
Still waiting to hear what we are going to trade.
As we are a net importer by some margin it isn't easy to see
Unless the tax system in the UK is changed it won't turn round
We will be reliant on the EU for some time to come & they will still re-patriate the profits |
Coal, steam engines, wool. We used to be great at all of those, before the EU. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:56 - Dec 11 with 4897 views | blue_oyster |
They really should get on it with. Nothing has been agreed so far, and time is running out. |  |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:57 - Dec 11 with 4896 views | Herbivore |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:52 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Coal, steam engines, wool. We used to be great at all of those, before the EU. |
Slaves. |  |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:01 - Dec 11 with 4871 views | No9 |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:56 - Dec 11 by blue_oyster |
They really should get on it with. Nothing has been agreed so far, and time is running out. |
They are getting on with it - spending a lot of taxpayers money that is. | | | |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:03 - Dec 11 with 4862 views | blue_oyster |
And the EU propaganda begins. Lap it up. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:06 - Dec 11 with 4860 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:57 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Slaves. |
Britain hasn't been a net exporter in those since Roman times (tho we did buy and ship a lot from various West African traders). | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:11 - Dec 11 with 4837 views | No9 |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:03 - Dec 11 by blue_oyster |
And the EU propaganda begins. Lap it up. |
Just for once; don't be so stupid | | | |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:12 - Dec 11 with 4840 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:56 - Dec 11 by blue_oyster |
They really should get on it with. Nothing has been agreed so far, and time is running out. |
What's the rush? It's taken under a year to get an agreed draft of wording on some pretty tricky issues. That's racing along by international deal standards. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:20 - Dec 11 with 4828 views | Herbivore |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:06 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Britain hasn't been a net exporter in those since Roman times (tho we did buy and ship a lot from various West African traders). |
Wasn't quite a lot of the trade directed through Liverpool at one point? | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:30 - Dec 11 with 4817 views | factual_blue |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:20 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Wasn't quite a lot of the trade directed through Liverpool at one point? |
The triangular trade.
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:31 - Dec 11 with 4810 views | blue_oyster |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:11 - Dec 11 by No9 |
Just for once; don't be so stupid |
Just for once, read the article and think. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:34 - Dec 11 with 4810 views | factual_blue |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:06 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Britain hasn't been a net exporter in those since Roman times (tho we did buy and ship a lot from various West African traders). |
The tens of thousands of (mainly) Scots and Irish we sent to the colonies in the 17th and 18th centuries were de facto slaves. In the best traditions of political euphemism, they were described as being in 'indentured servitude'. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:47 - Dec 11 with 4789 views | chicoazul |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:06 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Britain hasn't been a net exporter in those since Roman times (tho we did buy and ship a lot from various West African traders). |
Oh well if we weren't a net exporter that's alright then. It's not like Liverpool and Bristol were basically built off the back of slavery. |  |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:48 - Dec 11 with 4786 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:20 - Dec 11 by Herbivore |
Wasn't quite a lot of the trade directed through Liverpool at one point? |
Not in the sense that any slaves went through there (or Bristol). The route was UK - West Africa - Caribbean/America - UK.
It was actually questionable whether slavery was legal within the UK itself and even suggestions they would automatically become free once landing here. See the Somerset case of the 1770s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart?wprov=sfla1
The slave trade was also outlawed by the UK in 1807, before the port of Liverpool really began to boom. Altho it did benefit greatly from the trade in cotton from slave-using plantations. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:51 - Dec 11 with 4774 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:34 - Dec 11 by factual_blue |
The tens of thousands of (mainly) Scots and Irish we sent to the colonies in the 17th and 18th centuries were de facto slaves. In the best traditions of political euphemism, they were described as being in 'indentured servitude'. |
Tho, unlike West African slaves, there was usually a fixed term to the indenture, after which they were free. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:02 - Dec 11 with 4748 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:47 - Dec 11 by chicoazul |
Oh well if we weren't a net exporter that's alright then. It's not like Liverpool and Bristol were basically built off the back of slavery. |
Bristol, yes. Liverpool much less so (more cheese), as the slave trade was outlawed before the port really began to boom.
And my statement was correct. We were talking about exports: British people were not shipped abroad as slaves in any sizeable numbers after about the 5th century (tho a surprising number were being captured in slave raids on England by North African pirates as late as the 17th century). | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:04 - Dec 11 with 4745 views | factual_blue |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 09:48 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Not in the sense that any slaves went through there (or Bristol). The route was UK - West Africa - Caribbean/America - UK.
It was actually questionable whether slavery was legal within the UK itself and even suggestions they would automatically become free once landing here. See the Somerset case of the 1770s: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somerset_v_Stewart?wprov=sfla1
The slave trade was also outlawed by the UK in 1807, before the port of Liverpool really began to boom. Altho it did benefit greatly from the trade in cotton from slave-using plantations. |
I think I'm right in saying that slavery was actually only illegal in the UK after about 1997. Before then it was assumed not to exist, but the rise of human trafficking brought about the legislation. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:04 - Dec 11 with 4745 views | chicoazul |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:02 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Bristol, yes. Liverpool much less so (more cheese), as the slave trade was outlawed before the port really began to boom.
And my statement was correct. We were talking about exports: British people were not shipped abroad as slaves in any sizeable numbers after about the 5th century (tho a surprising number were being captured in slave raids on England by North African pirates as late as the 17th century). |
And to where and with whom was all that trade through Liverpool with? Jesus Christ. | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:04 - Dec 11 with 4747 views | FrowsyArmLarry |
No deal and no divorce bill is the way forward. Either that or cancel the whole thing. The EU have stated we won’t get preferential terms anyway so there’s definitely no trade deal to be had.
Out of interest what trading tariffs are, for example, China subject to, and how devastating will it be to impose them on our export market? |  | | |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:07 - Dec 11 with 4728 views | tractorian |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:02 - Dec 11 by Guthrum |
Bristol, yes. Liverpool much less so (more cheese), as the slave trade was outlawed before the port really began to boom.
And my statement was correct. We were talking about exports: British people were not shipped abroad as slaves in any sizeable numbers after about the 5th century (tho a surprising number were being captured in slave raids on England by North African pirates as late as the 17th century). |
I do wish you wouldn't go introducing facts into these discussions. Please desist!! [Post edited 11 Dec 2017 10:08]
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:25 - Dec 11 with 4685 views | Guthrum |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:04 - Dec 11 by chicoazul |
And to where and with whom was all that trade through Liverpool with? Jesus Christ. |
Anything which was crossing the Atlantic or the Irish Sea.
We were talking about exporting (stuff produced in this country going abroad), not the influence of slavery in the growth of Liverpool (import of slave-produced goods, yes, actual people-trafficking, less so). | |
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| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 10:29 - Dec 11 with 4678 views | factual_blue |
| All these new post-Brexit trade deals we're going to agree on 08:43 - Dec 11 by No9 |
Still waiting to hear what we are going to trade.
As we are a net importer by some margin it isn't easy to see
Unless the tax system in the UK is changed it won't turn round
We will be reliant on the EU for some time to come & they will still re-patriate the profits |
Innovative jam. | |
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