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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig 17:48 - Jan 18 with 1068 viewsuefacup81

Pretty clear statement from the 1.FCU fans ahead of their game against Leipzig tonight:

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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 17:55 - Jan 18 with 980 viewsKievthegreat

They were busy:



But they are in now to see their team have already taken the lead!

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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:01 - Jan 18 with 905 viewsHipsterectomy

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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:03 - Jan 18 with 897 viewsuefacup81

You've got to give them amazing credit, not so much for organising it, but for seeing it through so perfectly.

I seem to recall that they carried out a protest in the home match against Leipzig where the home fans were silent for the first 15mins of the match. Given that this was their first ever game in the Bundesliga, that takes some doing.

I don't think you'd ever manage to pull off something on that scale in English football.

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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:04 - Jan 18 with 880 viewsFtnfwest

Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 17:55 - Jan 18 by Kievthegreat

They were busy:



But they are in now to see their team have already taken the lead!



VAR is a thousand times worse
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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:09 - Jan 18 with 842 viewsuefacup81

Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:04 - Jan 18 by Ftnfwest

VAR is a thousand times worse


Depends on your point of view and where you're coming from.

You've got the 50% +1 regime in Germany, which works really well. There are a few exceptions for clubs like Leverkusen and Wolfsburg, which have always been corporate entities, but the rest of the clubs have their controlling share owned by the fans.

Red Bull bought out the license of a small German regional team, and immediately granted the requisite 50.1% of shares that would normally be held by fans to members of their executive team. The DFB forced them to change their structure about five years ago, but that just meant that they made their membership fees prohibitively expensive (€1,000+ a season).

I'd argue that the way in which Red Bull circumvented the rules in order to essentially buy success is much worse than VAR.

More info here as to how RB Leipzig circumvent the rules: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/08/why-rb-leipzig-has-become-the-m
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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:10 - Jan 18 with 827 viewsvapour_trail

Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:04 - Jan 18 by Ftnfwest

VAR is a thousand times worse


Eh?

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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:13 - Jan 18 with 799 viewsFtnfwest

Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:09 - Jan 18 by uefacup81

Depends on your point of view and where you're coming from.

You've got the 50% +1 regime in Germany, which works really well. There are a few exceptions for clubs like Leverkusen and Wolfsburg, which have always been corporate entities, but the rest of the clubs have their controlling share owned by the fans.

Red Bull bought out the license of a small German regional team, and immediately granted the requisite 50.1% of shares that would normally be held by fans to members of their executive team. The DFB forced them to change their structure about five years ago, but that just meant that they made their membership fees prohibitively expensive (€1,000+ a season).

I'd argue that the way in which Red Bull circumvented the rules in order to essentially buy success is much worse than VAR.

More info here as to how RB Leipzig circumvent the rules: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/08/why-rb-leipzig-has-become-the-m
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If it’s a ‘regime’ then it’s rather dictatorial then. If they’re kicked out you’re left with Bayern and occasionally dortmund competing in Germany so whatever.
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Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:19 - Jan 18 with 764 viewsuefacup81

Union Berlin v RB Leipzig on 18:13 - Jan 18 by Ftnfwest

If it’s a ‘regime’ then it’s rather dictatorial then. If they’re kicked out you’re left with Bayern and occasionally dortmund competing in Germany so whatever.


It's the 50% +1 setup that makes German football the envy of most of the rest of the world from a fans' perspective.

With a controlling stake in their clubs, fans have a greater say over what goes on. They can veto ticket prices, for example, and the 50% +1 system is highlighted as one of the main reasons that German clubs don't face the financial difficulties that occur so frequently in the English leagues:

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/german-soccer-rules-50-1-fifty-plu

But if you'd rather have exorbitant ticket prices, unaccountable owners, and financial catastrophes, then more fool you.

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