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So Government by the markets then! 22:12 - Oct 13 with 1205 views

Let's see how that pans out.

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So Government by the markets then! on 22:17 - Oct 13 with 1160 views

bungaytractor

Tell us how anarchism would work then..... load of rubbish

So Government by the markets then! on 22:39 - Oct 13 with 1114 views

XYZ

You're in favour of mass bankrupcy, repossessions and widespread malnutrition? Pensioners dying in the cold.

Cool look comrade.

So Government by the markets then! on 23:06 - Oct 13 with 1072 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 22:39 - Oct 13 by XYZ
You're in favour of mass bankrupcy, repossessions and widespread malnutrition? Pensioners dying in the cold. Cool look comrade.

I haven't said anything about supporting what this shower are proposing. However when whichever team you support proposes a policy which results in an adverse market reaction you won't have a leg to stand on.
This is all just a further iteration in our transformation from citizens to consumers.....cogs in a global economic machine rather than individuals in a functioning society.

Edit...may as well hand government to the technocrats now.

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So Government by the markets then! on 23:09 - Oct 13 with 1060 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 22:17 - Oct 13 by bungaytractor
Tell us how anarchism would work then..... load of rubbish

Night night Footers xx

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So Government by the markets then! on 23:19 - Oct 13 with 1046 views

bungaytractor

So Government by the markets then! on 23:09 - Oct 13 by BanksterDebtSlave
Night night Footers xx

Hope the agrarian revolution goes well from your paid-for house in rural Suffolk, sweetheart. Anarchy! X

So Government by the markets then! on 23:23 - Oct 13 with 1045 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 23:19 - Oct 13 by bungaytractor
Hope the agrarian revolution goes well from your paid-for house in rural Suffolk, sweetheart. Anarchy! X

Renting darling, caravan before that, homeless before that.....still so bitter!! Are the markets serving you well? Sleep well.

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So Government by the markets then! on 23:38 - Oct 13 with 998 views

XYZ

So Government by the markets then! on 23:06 - Oct 13 by BanksterDebtSlave

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There's no soft landing for millions in what you are proposing.

You're trying to sell an end point without explaining the transition.

It's a complete fantasy. A fantasy that involves killing loads of people.

I'd suggest hiring a better PR team.

That's from someone that basically is in favour of the end point!

So Government by the markets then! on 00:15 - Oct 14 with 971 views

factual_blue

So Government by the markets then! on 22:17 - Oct 13 by bungaytractor
Tell us how anarchism would work then..... load of rubbish

It needs to be carefully organised - that's the key.

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So Government by the markets then! on 07:18 - Oct 14 with 839 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 23:38 - Oct 13 by XYZ
There's no soft landing for millions in what you are proposing. You're trying to sell an end point without explaining the transition. It's a complete fantasy. A fantasy that involves killing loads of people. I'd suggest hiring a better PR team. That's from someone that basically is in favour of the end point!

I must have missed the bit where I proposed something nevermind tried to sell it. The question is whether any meaningful transition can take place without the markets throwing a tantrum. For example let's suggest wealth from business was used to pay better wages in cooperative/syndicalist structures with excess used for the benefit of wider society(participatory, truly representative democracies) rather than being siphoned off to management and shareholders.....how do you think the markets would take it?
Perhaps you can propose a gradual, market friendly transition to your preferred end point. Personally I'm not sure we have the time.
Do you think the markets are currently aiding or abetting a transition to a less environmentally destructive future?

Edit....thebooks posted this link which illustrates the dilemma and the folly of Truss's neo Liberal agenda here
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v44/n20/william-davies/madman-economics

"As early as 2011, just one year into the coalition government, the British political economist Colin Hay published an article about theÂ UKÂ economy titled ‘Pathology without Crisis?’, in which he used Gramsci’s term ‘catastrophic equilibrium’ to describe Britain’s economic condition of simultaneous failure and stability, a Beckettian situation in which things can’t go on like this, but must go on nevertheless and do so, year after year. The mood of the 2010s was one of ennui, in which nothing ever got quite bad enough for the status quo to break down altogether. The nations that suffered most from the Eurozone crisis after 2009 — Italy, Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain — had similar experiences, of relentless stagnation and declining living standards, as they received their punishments on behalf of ‘the markets’. On some level, a genuine crisis, in the sense of a turning point, was what many yearned for."

Well worth a read

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So Government by the markets then! on 07:34 - Oct 14 with 811 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 00:15 - Oct 14 by factual_blue
It needs to be carefully organised - that's the key.

Indeed and organised by 'the people' for 'the people' ..... they will be coming for your gold lined pension first!

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So Government by the markets then! on 11:06 - Oct 14 with 688 views

blueislander

Markets don’t make policies. They react to them.

So Government by the markets then! on 13:41 - Oct 14 with 594 views

BanksterDebtSlave

So Government by the markets then! on 11:06 - Oct 14 by blueislander
Markets don’t make policies. They react to them.

It seems to me that they extract as much possible wealth from the public physical and financial commons into private hands. And then when the trough runs dry, stamp and kick their feet until it is refilled via QE.
Not quite so virtuous!

But anyway who cares....Footers is back!

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