| The move back to the EU continues 12:52 - Nov 20 with 3310 views | HARRY10 |
"The Sunday Times reported that senior government figures were in effect revisiting a Brexit trading arrangement offered by the EU last year, which would get rid of 80% of the checks between Great Britain and Northern Ireland and open up access to the single market.
But the move would require the UK to pledge alignment, at least temporarily, on food and agriculture standards. Doing so would be anathema to champions of a hard Brexit, including Boris Johnson’s chief negotiator David Frost, as well as members of the hardline ERG."
If the UK has, and wishes to keep higher standards, then where is the problem ? It is because the UK actually wants lower standards (AUZ/NZ trade deals) and the current Bill to remove EU safety regulations & standards where the problem arises.
Once the UK allows dodgy animal products to be imported from US and Aus/NZ the EU would stop imports of UK animal products, as they could not be certain of their origin. So if the UK is not heading down that road, why the objection ?
There is no concern in the EU that it is GMT that determines there are 60 mins in the hour, or that the EU and the world aligns with Greenwich over the exact second it is the hour mark.
As the move out of isolation and back to the EU continues the original intent of brexit becomes clearer. Any wonder less than a third of voters now think it was a good idea. A figure that I suspect will continue to shrink.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/20/hardline-brexiters-voice-fears- |  | | |  |
| The move back to the EU continues on 13:30 - Nov 21 with 488 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| The move back to the EU continues on 13:18 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
I think there’s already a deep-seated aversion to changing things. And I just don’t see Labour taking much of a stand on anything even if they do get in. Certainly nothing as big as that.
They want their hands on the wheel and the opportunity to get paid. May well be a far too cynical view but I don’t see the principles or real beliefs that would indicate much else. |
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| The move back to the EU continues on 15:40 - Nov 21 with 443 views | HARRY10 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 13:02 - Nov 21 by ThisIsMyUsername |
That's what they're saying at the moment.
Surely once in power just do some opinion polls and if the will is there then go for it.
(Should state, in case it wasn't clear, that I'm not a political expert). [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 13:06]
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Sunak was at the CBI meeting todays.
"Sunak did still leave open the possibility of trying to reduce trade barriers with the EU, a major problem for businesses who face increased and costly bureaucracy as well as a shortage of workers after the end of freedom of movement. He did not deny the UK was seeking a closer relationship with Brussels to solve those issues."
So, as I have stated, the movement is already there - a closer relationship
Though his guff about alignment is just that when you see that the UK has rolled over 69 trade deals that are dependent upon the UK being aligned with the EU....only ironically the UK now no longer have any say in their drafting/changing.
Talk about this a few years back and it would have been an expectation of all about how wonderful brexit was, how UK industry and exports are thriving - and there is a booming economy. Whereas the reality is that the UK is slowly being strangled by brexit red tape.
Are remainers wise after the event / Given all this was pointed out before the referendim, then no. There were no crystal balls, no Mystig Megs, just a basic understanding of how things work.
Much as I can say, however well Town do this season, we will be in the Championship next season. Having a Fartrage or Johnson type con artist promising that we will be in the Champions League is an obvious lie. But that is pretty much what brexiters believed
Make it harder to trade and export, then expect a downturn. Cut off the much needed workforce and the same applies. And when the banks, finance houses, the City, exporters, hauliers...even such unlikely bedfellows as the CBI and the TUC were saying just that you would think they might know something. But no. The thickos put their trust in known liars such as Fartrage and Johnson
And the visa buffoonery will not stay as it is either. It is not fit for purpose. Too bureaucratic, costly and time consuming. Not attuned to today's market (much as is the thinking behind brexit).
The saying goes that the longest journey starts with the first step. The UK has already taken numerous steps on that journey. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 15:53 - Nov 21 with 438 views | XYZ |
| The move back to the EU continues on 13:18 - Nov 21 by Darth_Koont |
I think there’s already a deep-seated aversion to changing things. And I just don’t see Labour taking much of a stand on anything even if they do get in. Certainly nothing as big as that.
They want their hands on the wheel and the opportunity to get paid. May well be a far too cynical view but I don’t see the principles or real beliefs that would indicate much else. |
I think this is right.
The best chances of the changes required on EU and constitutional matters happening would be if Labour were dependent on Lib Dem & SNP support. | | | |
| The move back to the EU continues on 19:32 - Nov 21 with 385 views | HARRY10 |
| The move back to the EU continues on 15:53 - Nov 21 by XYZ |
I think this is right.
The best chances of the changes required on EU and constitutional matters happening would be if Labour were dependent on Lib Dem & SNP support. |
Change re EU have long since begun. Sunak and others are only acknowledging that fact.
"Boris Johnson’s Brexit deal has caused damaging trade barriers with the European Union, the Chancellor has conceded, as he said immigration will be “very important” for the economy." Jeremy Hunt, this morning
it will be business demanding change and only a few Brexit nutters* wanting the UK to stay as an inward looking island, lowly sinking under the weight of brexit stupidity.
As this is coming more out into the open we are failing to see any guff from fartrage et all (in reply) about how good brexit is. They know it is causing immense harm to the economy, and fcking up voters travel plans etc
* less than a third at the last count | | | |
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