| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again 12:10 - Mar 17 with 4878 views | Darth_Koont |
Still at least they didn’t help usher in Boris, continued spaffing state funds into individuals’ pockets while kids go hungry, a hard Brexit and the hard-right loons ... oh.
As for the Labour Party, zero surprises here. Ditto that our media (a few journalists like Pogrund and independents aside) can’t even bring itself to cover one of the worst political scandals in memory.
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:01 - Mar 19 with 1337 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 09:38 - Mar 19 by Darth_Koont |
Never mind the BBC and John Ware still trying to pressure Forde and shamelessly push the idea that the now discredited Panorama doc wasn’t a shoddily awful piece of journalism in the first place.
Ultimately, this is the most worrying and damning part of Martin Forde’s testimony. Reinforced by the media omertà now even when it’s been in the public domain for days.
We have a media that is institutionally racist. And that’s before you even start to address the lack of journalistic integrity and amateurishness that has turned our democracy into a joke. |
It comes to something that you have to look to a Qatari TV station (Al Jazeera) and an obscure London-based news outlet (Middle East Eye) to find an alternative view to the prevailing UK narrative (or lack of it) on Forde and more widely.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/labour-antisemitism-forde-rejected-remove-bbc
In many ways, it's similar news management to what Braverman has done with regard to her trip to Rwanada, but infinitely more worrying because it involves the whole media. And we are not talking here about a person (Forde) with an axe to grind, but instead a distinguished KC who was actually appointed by the Party to look into things.
Interestingly, I was listening to Matt Frei on LBC a few months ago who abruptly cut off a caller who in his opening remark mentioned the Labour Files but didn't get a chance to say any more. The distinct impression I got was that LBC had a policy not to discuss that topic because I have not heard it discussed there or anywhere else. [Post edited 19 Mar 2023 10:59]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:48 - Mar 19 with 1278 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:01 - Mar 19 by DJR |
It comes to something that you have to look to a Qatari TV station (Al Jazeera) and an obscure London-based news outlet (Middle East Eye) to find an alternative view to the prevailing UK narrative (or lack of it) on Forde and more widely.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/labour-antisemitism-forde-rejected-remove-bbc
In many ways, it's similar news management to what Braverman has done with regard to her trip to Rwanada, but infinitely more worrying because it involves the whole media. And we are not talking here about a person (Forde) with an axe to grind, but instead a distinguished KC who was actually appointed by the Party to look into things.
Interestingly, I was listening to Matt Frei on LBC a few months ago who abruptly cut off a caller who in his opening remark mentioned the Labour Files but didn't get a chance to say any more. The distinct impression I got was that LBC had a policy not to discuss that topic because I have not heard it discussed there or anywhere else. [Post edited 19 Mar 2023 10:59]
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Yes. Extremely worrying.
An actual political and media racism scandal that is ignored by our trusted media and all the “anti-racist” twitterers and posters who suddenly became very passionate in 2015-2019.
Unfortunately, given the voices that have been marginalised and what’s been ushered in as a result, we can’t just dismiss this as another harmless fad that came and went like fidget spinners and Pokemon Go. Nor should anyone defend it as all part and parcel of the game of politics. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 19:40 - Mar 19 with 1221 views | tractordownsouth |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 09:12 - Mar 18 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, Rachel Reeves is to the right of say, George Osborne on pretty much everything. You’d suspect her of being a right-wing plant if she weren’t entirely representative of the Labour right-wingers that now have total control of the party.
All a bit concerning that the only “alternatives” for the UK are both continuations of our slide right and in decline. The only difference is that the Tories want to get us there even quicker and more chaotically. Although I think the emptiness and lack of ideas from Labour and its major representatives will just screw the country over in a slightly different way.
As a public not at all served by our democracy we should be much more concerned by or at least questioning the prospect of a Labour opposition and future government that will effectively shore up the establishment interests these right-wingers have come to fetishise. And closing off any genuine alternative to the reality outside the establishment of decades of decline and a society/economy that’s coming apart at the seams.
Unfortunately, the journalists and pundits here pretty much nod along with that consensus/settlement too, whether it’s because their interests and incentives are largely the same. Or whether they’re as ideologically narrow and unquestioning as the Labour right and what passes for British “centrism”. Bit from Column A, bit from Column B, I suspect. |
Rachel Reeves is to the right of George Osborne? You need to show your working on that one. |  |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 19:56 - Mar 19 with 1212 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 19:40 - Mar 19 by tractordownsouth |
Rachel Reeves is to the right of George Osborne? You need to show your working on that one. |
Maybe to the right is an exaggeration but when it comes to Treasury orthodoxy they are probably two peas in the same pod.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/oct/12/labour-benefits-tories-labour-r [Post edited 19 Mar 2023 19:58]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 21:08 - Mar 19 with 1160 views | DJR |
I forgot to mention an interview with the Guardian she did in 2015 in which she said.
“We are not the party of people on benefits. We don’t want to be seen, and we’re not, the party to represent those who are out of work. Labour are a party of working people, formed for and by working people.”
This caused our Labour membership secretary to resign from the Party. The following were the reasons he gave in his resignation letter.
"As someone who claims benefits only because they cannot work, I feel personally betrayed and insulted by that statement, and I now feel that I am unwelcome within the UK Labour Party.
I must absolutely stress that this is nothing to do with the local Labour Party, every member of which has afforded me nothing but friendship, respect and camaraderie since I joined some years ago.
However you will know that I have had increasing difficulty with my membership of a party which has been on a steadily rightward trajectory for too long.
I am afraid that my leaving the Labour Party has been looking more and more inevitable for some time, and this statement by Reeves has been the last straw."
As it turned out, our Chair had contacts at Labour Party HQ, and managed to get a clarification from Reeves which caused our membership secretary to carry on in the party, but this incident just goes to show how right wing she appears to be. [Post edited 19 Mar 2023 21:22]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 08:52 - Mar 20 with 1107 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 19:40 - Mar 19 by tractordownsouth |
Rachel Reeves is to the right of George Osborne? You need to show your working on that one. |
How’s that Kool-Aid tasting?
It’s based on everything I’ve seen from her and her policy pronouncements. Waving a red flag doesn’t change that. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:28 - Mar 20 with 1046 views | tractordownsouth |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 08:52 - Mar 20 by Darth_Koont |
How’s that Kool-Aid tasting?
It’s based on everything I’ve seen from her and her policy pronouncements. Waving a red flag doesn’t change that. |
Osborne cut public spending in almost every department during a financial crisis much less significant than this one. What Reeves is proposing isn't even remotely similar. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:30 - Mar 20 with 1042 views | tractordownsouth |
I completely disagree with what she says in that article but that was the orthodox view of Miliband-era Labour, when the party went into the election wrongly promising to reduce spending.
If she was still saying this stuff today then the comparison would be fair but the current Labour agenda is nowhere near Osborne. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:51 - Mar 20 with 1012 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:30 - Mar 20 by tractordownsouth |
I completely disagree with what she says in that article but that was the orthodox view of Miliband-era Labour, when the party went into the election wrongly promising to reduce spending.
If she was still saying this stuff today then the comparison would be fair but the current Labour agenda is nowhere near Osborne. |
I'm not trying to be argumentative (and I suppose the proper comparison would be with what Osborne would do now), but she did throw her weight behind the following proposals in the Budget from Hunt, and because no one (apart from disability campaigners) picked up on this didn't seem to take any flak.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/15/hunts-disability-plans-put-1m-at
She is also a Bank of England insider, so to my mind will not want to rock the boat.
But we shall see. [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 12:14]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 13:30 - Mar 20 with 949 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:51 - Mar 20 by DJR |
I'm not trying to be argumentative (and I suppose the proper comparison would be with what Osborne would do now), but she did throw her weight behind the following proposals in the Budget from Hunt, and because no one (apart from disability campaigners) picked up on this didn't seem to take any flak.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/15/hunts-disability-plans-put-1m-at
She is also a Bank of England insider, so to my mind will not want to rock the boat.
But we shall see. [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 12:14]
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“She is also a Bank of England insider”
That’s a fairly disingenuous comment - she PREVIOUSLY worked there, she is not currently affiliated. |  | | |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 15:31 - Mar 20 with 891 views | tractordownsouth |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:51 - Mar 20 by DJR |
I'm not trying to be argumentative (and I suppose the proper comparison would be with what Osborne would do now), but she did throw her weight behind the following proposals in the Budget from Hunt, and because no one (apart from disability campaigners) picked up on this didn't seem to take any flak.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/mar/15/hunts-disability-plans-put-1m-at
She is also a Bank of England insider, so to my mind will not want to rock the boat.
But we shall see. [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 12:14]
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Did Labour back this? I may have missed it as I haven't been in the loop but there's no mention of that in the article. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:23 - Mar 20 with 853 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 15:31 - Mar 20 by tractordownsouth |
Did Labour back this? I may have missed it as I haven't been in the loop but there's no mention of that in the article. |
I heard an interview in which Rachel Reeves said they backed the "back to work proposals" which would include these. And certainly this is not an aspect of the Budget Labour has objected to since, as opposed to, say, aspects of the pension allowance extension.
But of course, if the proposals are as described in the article, I suppose Labour is keen to keep its head down, preferring instead to appear tough on this issue [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 16:25]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:29 - Mar 20 with 845 views | tractordownsouth |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:23 - Mar 20 by DJR |
I heard an interview in which Rachel Reeves said they backed the "back to work proposals" which would include these. And certainly this is not an aspect of the Budget Labour has objected to since, as opposed to, say, aspects of the pension allowance extension.
But of course, if the proposals are as described in the article, I suppose Labour is keen to keep its head down, preferring instead to appear tough on this issue [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 16:25]
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Fair enough, wasn't aware of that, obviously I disagree with the proposals. Still think in general that DK's comparison to Osborne is a bit of a stretch though. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:51 - Mar 20 with 834 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:29 - Mar 20 by tractordownsouth |
Fair enough, wasn't aware of that, obviously I disagree with the proposals. Still think in general that DK's comparison to Osborne is a bit of a stretch though. |
No worries. Being a Labour member, I take a bit more of an interest in what is going on than probably most, but always feel free to disregard my perhaps obsessive observations. | | | |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 17:08 - Mar 20 with 824 views | tractordownsouth |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 16:51 - Mar 20 by DJR |
No worries. Being a Labour member, I take a bit more of an interest in what is going on than probably most, but always feel free to disregard my perhaps obsessive observations. |
Fair play! I'm also a member, but only really looked at what would affect Wales because of my job and never got round to reading the rest of the budget, beyond the headlines. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 17:39 - Mar 20 with 803 views | DJR |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 17:08 - Mar 20 by tractordownsouth |
Fair play! I'm also a member, but only really looked at what would affect Wales because of my job and never got round to reading the rest of the budget, beyond the headlines. |
To be fair, I don't think the Budget is ever that well reported, unless you get, say, the Financial Times or look at the Treasury website. And I don't think Labour have gone through the Budget line for line in public, but have instead focused on issues that they think will go down well. [Post edited 20 Mar 2023 17:40]
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:39 - Mar 21 with 676 views | Darth_Koont |
Anyway, returning to the point of the thread and what is most concerning for our politics and notion of democracy.
The linked article is very good if you’re in some doubt about how closed-ranks and ultimately self-serving our establishment is. And how low they’re prepared to stoop when threatened by actual democracy and politicians who don’t swallow the line let alone toe it that serving UK’s most powerful interests is serving our interests at home or abroad. And all pushed through by the BBC and The Guardian who weren’t just gatekeepers but attack dogs.
At what point do people start to question these dominant political, social and economic narratives that have brought the UK to where it is now in 2023? | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:07 - Mar 21 with 642 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:39 - Mar 21 by Darth_Koont |
Anyway, returning to the point of the thread and what is most concerning for our politics and notion of democracy.
The linked article is very good if you’re in some doubt about how closed-ranks and ultimately self-serving our establishment is. And how low they’re prepared to stoop when threatened by actual democracy and politicians who don’t swallow the line let alone toe it that serving UK’s most powerful interests is serving our interests at home or abroad. And all pushed through by the BBC and The Guardian who weren’t just gatekeepers but attack dogs.
At what point do people start to question these dominant political, social and economic narratives that have brought the UK to where it is now in 2023? |
I agree, the EHRC were clearly part of an establishment conspiracy, and colluded against Dear Leader with the ‘fake news media’:
“our analysis points to a culture within the Party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it.”
Time to drain the swamp, and other rabbit hole nonsense.
I’ll leave you to your echo chamber. Good day. | | | |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:21 - Mar 21 with 619 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:07 - Mar 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I agree, the EHRC were clearly part of an establishment conspiracy, and colluded against Dear Leader with the ‘fake news media’:
“our analysis points to a culture within the Party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it.”
Time to drain the swamp, and other rabbit hole nonsense.
I’ll leave you to your echo chamber. Good day. |
Pathetic denialism. The EHRC report doesn’t contradict the weaponisation of antisemitism for factional reasons as it notes the many improvements once the Labour right weren’t in charge of the process – in fact, one of the major criticisms of Corbin was that he broke the regulations by trying to hurry them up.
And there is no conspiracy as you yourself prove. There is never a shortage of people who are willing to look the other way if it’s in their perceived interests to do so. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:29 - Mar 21 with 589 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:21 - Mar 21 by Darth_Koont |
Pathetic denialism. The EHRC report doesn’t contradict the weaponisation of antisemitism for factional reasons as it notes the many improvements once the Labour right weren’t in charge of the process – in fact, one of the major criticisms of Corbin was that he broke the regulations by trying to hurry them up.
And there is no conspiracy as you yourself prove. There is never a shortage of people who are willing to look the other way if it’s in their perceived interests to do so. |
By saying ‘weaponisation of antisemitism’ you are at least acknowledging it existed as a problem.
Progress at last…well done mate. | | | |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:30 - Mar 21 with 588 views | giant_stow |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 10:39 - Mar 21 by Darth_Koont |
Anyway, returning to the point of the thread and what is most concerning for our politics and notion of democracy.
The linked article is very good if you’re in some doubt about how closed-ranks and ultimately self-serving our establishment is. And how low they’re prepared to stoop when threatened by actual democracy and politicians who don’t swallow the line let alone toe it that serving UK’s most powerful interests is serving our interests at home or abroad. And all pushed through by the BBC and The Guardian who weren’t just gatekeepers but attack dogs.
At what point do people start to question these dominant political, social and economic narratives that have brought the UK to where it is now in 2023? |
I read it over my breakfast just now. Interesting that he still defends his response to the EHRC report. A little word count, with no conclusion from me:
Jewish - 5 times
Israel - 27 times
israeli - 9 times. |  |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:40 - Mar 21 with 565 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:29 - Mar 21 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
By saying ‘weaponisation of antisemitism’ you are at least acknowledging it existed as a problem.
Progress at last…well done mate. |
I have never said that antisemitism isn’t a problem – after all, it’s across the political spectrum just like anti-BAME and islamophobia.
However, making out that it is or was a specific Labour or left-wing problem is a gross misrepresentation of the data. And considering the left isn’t in power or even opposition, I guess we should now be focused on the antisemitism and racism in the centre and on the right ... oh.
But thanks for getting involved, James. You unfailingly make my point for me that this is driven by factional smearing and accusations rather than caring about the facts or even the issues themselves. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:45 - Mar 21 with 551 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:30 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
I read it over my breakfast just now. Interesting that he still defends his response to the EHRC report. A little word count, with no conclusion from me:
Jewish - 5 times
Israel - 27 times
israeli - 9 times. |
You read the context. Stop being a smeary twerp.
I know it’s all you’ve got but by Christ you don’t have to keep confirming it at every step. | |
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| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:48 - Mar 21 with 547 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:40 - Mar 21 by Darth_Koont |
I have never said that antisemitism isn’t a problem – after all, it’s across the political spectrum just like anti-BAME and islamophobia.
However, making out that it is or was a specific Labour or left-wing problem is a gross misrepresentation of the data. And considering the left isn’t in power or even opposition, I guess we should now be focused on the antisemitism and racism in the centre and on the right ... oh.
But thanks for getting involved, James. You unfailingly make my point for me that this is driven by factional smearing and accusations rather than caring about the facts or even the issues themselves. |
““our analysis points to a culture within the Party which, at best, did not do enough to prevent antisemitism and, at worst, could be seen to accept it.”
Clearly states that it was a problem in the Labour party (on his watch) to the point where they accepted it.. There are 100’s of threads on Conservatives racism, so that’s a poor piece of deflection.
Personally I wasted a vote with the Lib Dem’s as I didn’t want to vote for a racist OR an enabler of racists. If you could turn a blind eye to it as the party did (EHRC, 2020) then that’s up to you. | | | |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:54 - Mar 21 with 529 views | Darth_Koont |
| BBC impartiality and integrity at its best again on 11:30 - Mar 21 by giant_stow |
I read it over my breakfast just now. Interesting that he still defends his response to the EHRC report. A little word count, with no conclusion from me:
Jewish - 5 times
Israel - 27 times
israeli - 9 times. |
By the way, whatever the smeary insinuation you’re trying to make, it’s antisemitic to conflate Jews with Israel in this way so you should delete your post. | |
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