| Has this sunk in with you yet? 23:03 - Jun 22 with 3840 views | NthQldITFC |
Ecological tipping points could occur much sooner than expected, study finds.
Amazon rainforest and other ecosystems could collapse ‘very soon’, researchers warn.
“It could happen very soon,” said Prof Simon Willcock of Rothamsted Research, who co-led the study. “We could realistically be the last generation to see the Amazon.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/22/ecological-tipping-points-co
Why have we not yet decided to pull together to see if we can make a difference?
Do we have to face up to an imminent cascade of collapsing ecosystems, human life-support systems and civil society at some point, or do we just keep putting it off until it happens?
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 20:20 - Jun 23 with 825 views | NthQldITFC |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 18:43 - Jun 23 by SlippinJimmyJuan |
I'm inclined to agree with that. Every few years the market gets the jitters and normal people suffer and yet the ones telling us that we are naive somehow seem to continue as if nothing had happened for the most part. I hope you are right about a fairly imminent collapse as it seems to me to be about the only chance of a course correction.
Likewise on the actions. I think I need to be more consistent and determined with it though. It's easy to make an excuse for some of the things we do that don't help the situation, so I think I will aim to be a bit tougher on myself with that. Keep up the good work of spreading the important news, even if at times it will feel like you're calling into the abyss. |
Thanks mate, that means a lot to me. | |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 00:23 - Jun 24 with 775 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Something to cheer you up ....... not!
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 06:47 - Jun 24 with 726 views | CoachRob |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 15:10 - Jun 23 by WeWereZombies |
Couple of points, becoming Vegan does not always improve an environment and secondly, optimism is not necessary for survival and it might even detract from your chances. So balance, pragmatism and realism are better facets in my view. |
Stockdale paradox? |  | | |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 06:59 - Jun 24 with 719 views | CoachRob |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 00:23 - Jun 24 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Something to cheer you up ....... not!
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Can't we just substitute food for something else?
The disconnect from our biophysical reality is so apparent when you read the thread on interest rates, quite frightening to discover how embedded weird economic theories have become amongst ordinary people. | | | |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 07:01 - Jun 24 with 718 views | WeWereZombies |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 06:47 - Jun 24 by CoachRob |
Stockdale paradox? |
Not really, unwavering faith that we will prevail in the end isn't an option given the complexity of things (Mr. fractal as an ident...sorry...) and I don't think we need a revolution to get to some perfect place of Green ideals either. Sometimes aspect of nature slowly coalesce to form a better fit and humans, including all the artifice we construct to live our lives with, are part of nature. So the big challenge is to stay as balanced as we can in the face of slow but inevitable changes. |  |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 07:26 - Jun 24 with 716 views | BuffaloBill |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 11:36 - Jun 23 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but someone got held up on their commute the other day. |
Obviously no inconvenience to you so no problems. People like you can't see the utter frustration say as example a self employed tradesmen might feel.
Far easier trotting out your pathetic sound bites, as you do |  |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:06 - Jun 24 with 709 views | NthQldITFC |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 07:26 - Jun 24 by BuffaloBill |
Obviously no inconvenience to you so no problems. People like you can't see the utter frustration say as example a self employed tradesmen might feel.
Far easier trotting out your pathetic sound bites, as you do |
I may be reading too much into your comment, but by fk you have an apt username if I'm not! | |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:05 - Jun 27 with 593 views | WeWereZombies |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 16:05 - Jun 23 by Bluespeed225 |
This subject was part of the storyline in the film version of “Bless This House’ in about 1973, and Rodney Trotter was campaigning inthe mid 80’s. We’ll all try our best, but will ultimately roast to death as about 1000 people survive in their bunkers. I’d rather be out. |
How long has this been going on, indeed ? Rachel Carson wrote 'Silent Spring' back in the early 1960s and for an interesting account of climate denial have a look at the first episode of this BBC documentary series:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0cgqlv1/big-oil-v-the-world-series-1-1-de
But the oil industry is at again this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66019291 | |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:21 - Jun 27 with 583 views | CoachRob |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 07:01 - Jun 24 by WeWereZombies |
Not really, unwavering faith that we will prevail in the end isn't an option given the complexity of things (Mr. fractal as an ident...sorry...) and I don't think we need a revolution to get to some perfect place of Green ideals either. Sometimes aspect of nature slowly coalesce to form a better fit and humans, including all the artifice we construct to live our lives with, are part of nature. So the big challenge is to stay as balanced as we can in the face of slow but inevitable changes. |
Humans have utilised fossil fuels at an exponential rate which in turn is destroying the biosphere they depend on - there is no balance e.g. EEI. The equitable limit was past at 1C of warming and the human niche will be eroded away to higher latitudes. If you can balance that in next fifty years, please write a paper. We have two options; collapse or slow down that could also lead to collapse. The carbon budget for 1.5C could be used up in less than a decade and six tipping points could be crossed. I know you're not making a case for BAU, and I agree that techno fixes and political ideology are flawed, it is the rate of change you asserted that requires some explanation. The question I have for you is; how do you balance energy and material throughput within planetary boundaries without collapsing the system (civilisation) given the thermodynamic constraints? | | | |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:58 - Jun 27 with 548 views | WeWereZombies |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:21 - Jun 27 by CoachRob |
Humans have utilised fossil fuels at an exponential rate which in turn is destroying the biosphere they depend on - there is no balance e.g. EEI. The equitable limit was past at 1C of warming and the human niche will be eroded away to higher latitudes. If you can balance that in next fifty years, please write a paper. We have two options; collapse or slow down that could also lead to collapse. The carbon budget for 1.5C could be used up in less than a decade and six tipping points could be crossed. I know you're not making a case for BAU, and I agree that techno fixes and political ideology are flawed, it is the rate of change you asserted that requires some explanation. The question I have for you is; how do you balance energy and material throughput within planetary boundaries without collapsing the system (civilisation) given the thermodynamic constraints? |
May I ask that you refrain from TLAs in your replies ? BAU I found without too much trouble but EEI still escapes me. As for balance, I take my lead from:
https://doughnuteconomics.org/about-doughnut-economics | |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:58 - Jun 27 with 548 views | NthQldITFC |
| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 08:21 - Jun 27 by CoachRob |
Humans have utilised fossil fuels at an exponential rate which in turn is destroying the biosphere they depend on - there is no balance e.g. EEI. The equitable limit was past at 1C of warming and the human niche will be eroded away to higher latitudes. If you can balance that in next fifty years, please write a paper. We have two options; collapse or slow down that could also lead to collapse. The carbon budget for 1.5C could be used up in less than a decade and six tipping points could be crossed. I know you're not making a case for BAU, and I agree that techno fixes and political ideology are flawed, it is the rate of change you asserted that requires some explanation. The question I have for you is; how do you balance energy and material throughput within planetary boundaries without collapsing the system (civilisation) given the thermodynamic constraints? |
I agree. The changes won't be slow in human terms, let alone evolutionary terms. | |
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| Has this sunk in with you yet? on 09:02 - Jun 27 with 546 views | DJR |
Interesting to hear Ed Conway on LBC yesterday talking about the environmental and other challenges in getting to net zero, including, for example, greater copper and lithium mining and production.
The interview was in connection with his new book, which the following link gives a flavour of.
https://edconway.substack.com/p/welcome-to-the-material-world [Post edited 27 Jun 2023 9:03]
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