| Violent kids in schools 15:25 - Mar 30 with 1534 views | Mullet |
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/teachers-careers-risk-due-lack-
This is reported in Scotland and aimed at a Scottish audience, but it comes from this weekend's national conference.
It is something that seems to really polarise people in education, breaking up fights is a horrible thing to do and always leaves staff upset in one way or another. However, there's a general sense of aggression and entitlement people are putting down to "since COVID" that has been debated and discussed for a long time.
When a teacher was stabbed to death in Leeds a while back it rightly caused outrage, but having police or security staff in schools also raises tensions in my experience. I'm not a fan of the Michaela school - walk on the line in silence approach or it's willingness to exclude and push out students who don't fit their mould.
On the other hand there seems to be a need for a societal conversation about where the lines are drawn. Often parents will defend their child being violent, abusive and whatnot rather than accept responsibility or ensure their child does either.
I wonder if the nationals are going to pick this up and run with it next week and what the response will be. |  |
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| Violent kids in schools on 16:46 - Mar 30 with 1439 views | cbower |
I have been teaching for 30 years now, 5 of those as Assistant Head responsible for behaviour (10 years ago). The biggest change for me in those 30 years has been the growing amount of parents defending the indefensible, apportioning blame on teachers for the behaviour of their sons and daughters. Add to this an increasingly malicious accusatory culture amongst children who ' know my rights' and it is easy to see why morexand more of my colleagues feel on the defensive.
As an aside, I am 6ft 1 tall. When I started, there were very few 14-16 year olds taller than me. Nowadays it can feel like the Land of the Giants, they're massive! |  |
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| Violent kids in schools on 16:55 - Mar 30 with 1419 views | Help |
The aggression comes from a number of places. First. Bad parenting. This can be aggressive parents who in turn create aggressive children. So the cycle continues. The other is the appearance that a fight settles everything. So many times a small incident that can be ignored instead turns way out of proportion within seconds.
Kids seem to think that if someone does anything they don't like that the only way of dealing with it is to have a scrap. Also it is not a little scuffle. Some fights are so aggressive with some kids wanting to seem to cause as much harm as possible to the other person. They don't just give them a couple of punches they pummel the other continuously, like they don't know when to stop. The red rag of rage is frightening. |  |
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| Violent kids in schools on 18:43 - Mar 30 with 1329 views | MillsTash |
| Violent kids in schools on 16:46 - Mar 30 by cbower |
I have been teaching for 30 years now, 5 of those as Assistant Head responsible for behaviour (10 years ago). The biggest change for me in those 30 years has been the growing amount of parents defending the indefensible, apportioning blame on teachers for the behaviour of their sons and daughters. Add to this an increasingly malicious accusatory culture amongst children who ' know my rights' and it is easy to see why morexand more of my colleagues feel on the defensive.
As an aside, I am 6ft 1 tall. When I started, there were very few 14-16 year olds taller than me. Nowadays it can feel like the Land of the Giants, they're massive! |
Exactly this. I’m always surprised when ever I phone a parent to discuss behaviour and they condemn their child’s behaviour as it is normally to defend and justify it. |  | | |
| Violent kids in schools on 19:25 - Mar 30 with 1281 views | baxterbasics |
Mrs B had a situation herself just this week.
She was on break duty. One Yr 7 scrote that likes to mouth off ended up in a shoving match with a girl. Girl gets brother and his 4/5 mates (all Romanian) over who proceed to give the smaller kid a shoeing.
Wife did her best to keep them all apart and restore order, along with the one other (female) teacher on duty who eventually caught up, but the scariest thing for her was how unconcerned any of them were about her presence or authority. The kids could not have cared less about the two teachers. What are they supposed to do in the face of that? Give it another year or two they'll be carrying knives. |  |
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| Violent kids in schools on 19:42 - Mar 30 with 1222 views | Mullet |
| Violent kids in schools on 16:46 - Mar 30 by cbower |
I have been teaching for 30 years now, 5 of those as Assistant Head responsible for behaviour (10 years ago). The biggest change for me in those 30 years has been the growing amount of parents defending the indefensible, apportioning blame on teachers for the behaviour of their sons and daughters. Add to this an increasingly malicious accusatory culture amongst children who ' know my rights' and it is easy to see why morexand more of my colleagues feel on the defensive.
As an aside, I am 6ft 1 tall. When I started, there were very few 14-16 year olds taller than me. Nowadays it can feel like the Land of the Giants, they're massive! |
I hate splitting up fights, mainly because it's horrible but also the sense of having to deal with that stuff. I once had to stop parents/family members fighting with kids outside the gate - luckily the police watched the CCTV and didn't need anything else. I was pretty sure I was going to be arrested at the time and have to prove my innocence.
Luckily they got the woman trying to stamp on a kid's head as I got involved, so my redirecting her effort was clear and safe etc.
We have some kids who are gigantic. They think nothing of pushing around the smaller ones either! | |
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| Violent kids in schools on 19:44 - Mar 30 with 1198 views | Mullet |
| Violent kids in schools on 16:55 - Mar 30 by Help |
The aggression comes from a number of places. First. Bad parenting. This can be aggressive parents who in turn create aggressive children. So the cycle continues. The other is the appearance that a fight settles everything. So many times a small incident that can be ignored instead turns way out of proportion within seconds.
Kids seem to think that if someone does anything they don't like that the only way of dealing with it is to have a scrap. Also it is not a little scuffle. Some fights are so aggressive with some kids wanting to seem to cause as much harm as possible to the other person. They don't just give them a couple of punches they pummel the other continuously, like they don't know when to stop. The red rag of rage is frightening. |
A lot of it is down to being filmed. Incidents outside attract massive crowds and multiple phones. These go straight on social media so the pressure on how you're seen is massive.
It lead to one of my students being murdered unfortunately not that long ago. | |
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| Violent kids in schools on 20:11 - Mar 30 with 1151 views | Buhrer |
| Violent kids in schools on 16:46 - Mar 30 by cbower |
I have been teaching for 30 years now, 5 of those as Assistant Head responsible for behaviour (10 years ago). The biggest change for me in those 30 years has been the growing amount of parents defending the indefensible, apportioning blame on teachers for the behaviour of their sons and daughters. Add to this an increasingly malicious accusatory culture amongst children who ' know my rights' and it is easy to see why morexand more of my colleagues feel on the defensive.
As an aside, I am 6ft 1 tall. When I started, there were very few 14-16 year olds taller than me. Nowadays it can feel like the Land of the Giants, they're massive! |
Yes it sounds like things have changed. 30 years ago at school, when i didn't know my rights, several times teachers were very happy to proactively physically deal with me, with no fights required, just back chat or privacy, but then I wasn't 6'1 like they were. Educational. Twtd. |  | | |
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