| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:37 - Jun 8 with 649 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 10:42 - Jun 8 by blueasfook |
That isn't the reason for the rise of far right parties at all. Many people are alarmed by uncontrolled immigration and these parties are the only ones promising to do something effective about it.
You should read (and link),some other news sources than the Guardian. It might lead to less blinkered views. [Post edited 8 Jun 2024 10:43]
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Thank you for your considered and well presented input.
Edit...and basically you agree with the linked article....top work. [Post edited 8 Jun 2024 11:41]
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| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:47 - Jun 8 with 611 views | lowhouseblue |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:33 - Jun 8 by WeWereZombies |
One of the saddest aspects of this whole debate is the smearing together of reasons for migration, as well as who has a legal right to move between nations and for how long.
Migration into the Colonial powers has in the past been accompanied by holding a passport, having a promise of a job or the necessity of completing a family life that started elsewhere, as well as some commonality of culture (Clark's shoes and the best kept front rooms for example in the case of British Caribbeans.) There can be the first generation 'legitimate' incomers and following generations whose material desires for betterment are not so well backed up with paperwork.
Another first and second generation development happened when more Poles arrived from the 1980s onwards as travel from Poland became easier and their skills much in demand. But the wartime settlers who had made a good life for themselves in Britain and avoided hardship under Russian occupation sometimes resented the change in attitude from 'thank you for your wartime efforts' to 'can you fix my taps, cash in hand ?'
Still, as you say, the British Empire has it's critics and often for good reason but our relative ease of assimilation compared with France derives both from the more extreme treatment of colonial subjects in history and the bureaucratic settlement into the banlieus of many migrants. The Netherlands appeared to be coping best of all quarter of a century ago but has since stumbled very badly, there is a book called 'Immigrant Nations' by Paul Scheffer of the University of Amsterdam that outlined this growing problem back in 2011.
And now the increasing flow of refugees from wars is exacerbating the existing issues so that even when a country like Poland hosts Ukrainian people, and having seen many of the existing Polish population benefit from temporary or permanent migration elsewhere, the resentment can be very palpable. |
across europe the integration of migrants is not a happy story at present. the uk stands out as a success. even in scandinavia things are going badly backwards. these issues can't be dismissed as being caused by racism. they are associated with higher flows of migrants and cultural and religious isolation of migrants. pretending that these things aren't happening and that the people reporting them are racists is pretty pointless. |  |
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| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:48 - Jun 8 with 593 views | victorywilhappen |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:22 - Jun 8 by giant_stow |
Any idea why France is so bad at this? Or for that matter why others are better? |
At a guess, countries such as Canada and Australia, once colonies, are better than old world colonial countries such as the old European powers.
Maybe it is because there is the perception that the new world was made of go-getters and that the bad stuff done to the Indigenous populations was by the old colonial bosses not them..
The 'otherness' of skin colour is often not only a class thing but a hangover from colonial thinking. Guilt sometimes but also being unsure, and a lack of confidence in the gaze they give and receive loaded with the past and their own current position economically and socially. This is often from the older in society, those in less urban areas, poor education or those dispossessed ( or feel so)
Don't get me wrong, many suburban Australians still cling to the white Australia mentality. They are more products of an era that haven't evolved but are happy in their bubbles and generally wish little ill will. Fair go and all that. |  | | |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 13:14 - Jun 8 with 507 views | WeWereZombies |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:47 - Jun 8 by lowhouseblue |
across europe the integration of migrants is not a happy story at present. the uk stands out as a success. even in scandinavia things are going badly backwards. these issues can't be dismissed as being caused by racism. they are associated with higher flows of migrants and cultural and religious isolation of migrants. pretending that these things aren't happening and that the people reporting them are racists is pretty pointless. |
To be honest, after spending a little time writing and reference checking my previous post I was expecting a more considered response. |  |
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| It's the future so get used to it. on 13:23 - Jun 8 with 500 views | giant_stow |
| It's the future so get used to it. on 11:32 - Jun 8 by lowhouseblue |
i think france has had bigger numbers of recent immigrants than other european countries, they are not evenly dispersed within france and a high proportion come from the same countries of origin. the result is high numbers of recent immigrants who are geographically isolated and culturally separate. that separation is reinforced by religious differences. those communities are economically disadvantaged. the age profile tends to be younger. these are all things that make integration difficult. [Post edited 8 Jun 2024 11:48]
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